Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumThere is no chance for peace with Netanyahu
After watching the history, it's obvious the current situation is a tired old rerun from his "stay in power" playbook.
It's time for it to stop.
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cilla4progress
(26,487 posts)Biden should put his efforts into getting him to quit.
He is bringing about widespread devastation and I doubt he gives a shit.
orangecrush
(28,282 posts)Now I see it's not just Hamas who benefits.
And I seem to recall reading that Netanyahu had moved most of Israels security force away from the Gaza border.
To wit -
"In the early hours of Saturday, October 7, Israelis living near the border with Gaza awoke to the sounds of Hamas fighters killing and kidnapping their neighbors. As the hours stretched on and they hid, terrified, their frantic text messages contained versions of this question: where is the army?
To answer that question, we need to travel to the West Bank.
Watch the video above to better understand how Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahus obsessive focus on the West Bank has left Israelis everywhere vulnerable."
https://www.vox.com/videos/2023/10/16/23919562/israeli-army-october-7-hamas-attack
It's worth a trip to YouTube to watch this.
Fiendish Thingy
(22,011 posts)orangecrush
(28,282 posts)Same book.
How many more times.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)Cooler heads will prevail. Hamas needs to go in the scenario though.
orangecrush
(28,282 posts)When Trump got "elected", he was so happy.
It's in the video, he was with Trump and he looked like he was on Viagra.
Hamas and Netanyahu prop each other up.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)orangecrush
(28,282 posts)With Netanyahu.
That's what Netanyahu said he was going to do like 3 times this situation repeated itself.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)Keep in mind Israel has only been at this less than a month. Heck Ukraine is over a year. Be patient with Israel and youll see results. Already they killed top humas personnel. Hopefully more to come. Its a must they rid themselves of Hamas. Its important for the world.
orangecrush
(28,282 posts)You can't do it by exterminating the most densely populated city in the world.
Eliminate Netanyahu's power, eliminate Hamas support, then it becomes a lot simpler.
LymphocyteLover
(9,347 posts)hyperbole much?
orangecrush
(28,282 posts)Warpy
(114,381 posts)Not even if they genocide all males in Gaza.
People on both sides who think they can slaughter their way to some sort of victory are the problem. They always are, all over the planet.
I'm watching Israel squander the good will it once had by overkill. That's the larger tragedy here.
orangecrush
(28,282 posts)Global condemnation due to overkill is EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED THE LAST 3 TIMES.
It is Netanyahu.
AloeVera
(3,991 posts)The West knew who he is.
Some of us despaired from the beginning. We knew what was coming.
It has to stop.
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)orangecrush
(28,282 posts)Thank you, Stuart G.
Hamas and Netanyahu have worked the angles for too long.
Sneederbunk
(17,254 posts)orangecrush
(28,282 posts)The exact same scenario repeated like 3 times.
Hamas attacks civilians.
Netanyahu flattens Gaza.
Hamas stays in power
Netanyahu gets reelected.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)orangecrush
(28,282 posts)Has taught me not to swallow bullshit hook line and sinker.
"Iraq has WMD" for example...
claudette
(5,455 posts)He is a mad man. He is even crazier than the orange criminal.
orangecrush
(28,282 posts)Of his own people.
And thousands of innocents in Gaza
enid602
(9,617 posts)A truer statement might be "There is no chance for Netanyahu with peace.' The war is keeping him out of the courts.
orangecrush
(28,282 posts)Bill Clinton has a handle on this.
I hope Joe does too.
PortTack
(35,811 posts)I will never understand why the Israelis voted this jerk back in!
orangecrush
(28,282 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 5, 2023, 04:00 PM - Edit history (1)
Of course, the Hamas attack put a quick stop to that ...
PortTack
(35,811 posts)twodogsbarking
(17,571 posts)orangecrush
(28,282 posts)Once and for all
It starts with cleaning up their side of the street.
After that, the rest would be easy.
AloeVera
(3,991 posts)twodogsbarking
(17,571 posts)AloeVera
(3,991 posts)Massive suffering. Profound sadness.
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)What chance of peace is there when Hamas promises to continue terrorist attacks, no matter what?
Doesn't it take two for peace?
I would like to see peace.
Lithos
(26,603 posts)It has words, it has commentary - it is not very deep. This is a distribution of Secret Wars put out by Sky History - which is the UK's branding of the History Channel. It is meant as entertainment, not history.
As for the OP's comment about this is an attempt by Netanyahu to stay relevant - the same is said about Hamas who was about to lose a lot of relevancy with the Israeli-Saudi peace treaty. Both of them are extreme RW Nationalists and both follow the playbook.
https://www.history.co.uk/shows/ancient-aliens/articles/10-facts-about-the-ancient-aliens-guy

orangecrush
(28,282 posts)In the video?
Lithos
(26,603 posts)Do you think you can accurately condense and communicate 100+ years of history down into 45 minutes, and do so without losing significant information - especially when your goal is entertainment first, historical correctness secondary and without creating a bias?