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AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
Sat May 24, 2025, 09:32 AM May 24

Israeli strike kills nine of Gaza doctor's children, hospital says

Mallory Moench
BBC News

An Israeli air strike on Gaza hit the home of a doctor and killed nine of her 10 children, the hospital where she works in the city of Khan Younis says.

Nasser hospital said one of Dr Alaa al-Najjar's children and her husband were injured, but survived. Graeme Groom, a British surgeon working in the hospital, said he had operated on her surviving 11-year-old boy.

A video shared by the director of the Hamas-run health ministry and verified by the BBC showed small burned bodies being lifted from the rubble of a strike in Khan Younis on Friday.

---snip---

Dr Muneer Alboursh, director of the health ministry, said on X that the al-Najjars' family house was hit minutes after Dr al-Najjar's husband Hamdi had returned home after driving his wife to work.

Dr Alboursh said the eldest of Dr al-Najjar's children was aged 12.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0eq9lq7xr1o

The AI program called "Where's Daddy?" was designed specifically to track targeted individuals and carry out bombings when they had entered their family’s residences, often at night when their entire families were sleeping. Or at any time, apparently.

This is why there are so many women and children casualties. It's unconscionable.

https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
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Israeli strike kills nine of Gaza doctor's children, hospital says (Original Post) AloeVera May 24 OP
An AI-detected target walks into a residence, and a smart bomb hits it. John1956PA May 24 #1
"Where's Daddy" was developed by the Israeli military and has been in use in Gaza since the beginning of the war. AloeVera May 24 #2
Isn't it the same hospital on whose grounds three top Hamas commanders, including Mohammad Sinwar, the leader of Hamas Beastly Boy May 25 #3
You're wrong as always. AloeVera May 25 #6
Other than your presumptive assertions, there is nothing you can produce to challenge me. Beastly Boy May 25 #8
The claim appears to be that it was a targeted attack on Hamdi Al-Najjar via "Where's Daddy?". lapucelle May 26 #12
They ran out of claims that appear halfass legitimate. An outright illegitimate one will do just fine Beastly Boy May 26 #13
See post 14. AloeVera May 26 #15
What's interesting is that lapucelle May 26 #35
Israel started bombing on evening of Oct 7th. AloeVera May 26 #37
Like I said, I don't get my news from tiktok. N/T lapucelle May 26 #43
He is a doctor too. AloeVera May 26 #14
Healthcare workers like this guy? "Journalist, doctor held Israelis hostage in Gaza" lapucelle May 26 #36
So all healthcare workers and their children are guilty? AloeVera May 26 #38
A doctor holding hostages in a residential building is disgusting. lapucelle May 26 #41
This is a grotesque logical fallacy Picaro Yesterday #77
Exactly. Two things can be true at the same time. NH Ethylene Yesterday #78
"Taking a specific incident and generalizing it to condemn an entire population"... lapucelle Yesterday #79
Please elucidate. Picaro Yesterday #80
My background is in education. Students learn best when they figure things out for themselves. lapucelle Yesterday #81
Snide aren't you--even when you're wrong Picaro Yesterday #82
Your profile says that you're from Plano, Texas. lapucelle Yesterday #83
You just crossed into trollland Picaro Yesterday #84
You said you're from Missouri. You're the one who brought it up. lapucelle Yesterday #85
Geneva does not authorize going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction on hospitals. AloeVera May 26 #19
Geneva does not authorize the use of hospitals for harboring top belligerent commanders. Beastly Boy May 26 #24
None of it excuses going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction... AloeVera May 26 #25
Yes, for some reason "going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction" is not in the Geneva conventions at all. Beastly Boy May 26 #26
If you truly believe Israel's destruction of health care and hospitals AloeVera May 26 #27
I believe nothing. The Geneva conventions are not a religious text to believe or disbelieve. Beastly Boy May 26 #28
Oh and... the house where the kids burned to death was 3 miles from the hospital grounds. AloeVera May 25 #7
So it wasn't an *attack* terrorists hiding in a hospital? The claim is that it was a targeted attack lapucelle May 26 #11
The Hamas bigwigs were hiding underground in the tunnel under the European Hospital. lapucelle May 26 #9
What does that have to do with the strike 3 miles away on a civilian house? AloeVera May 26 #16
That was terrorist stronghold in a different hospital. You pointed that out, remember? lapucelle May 26 #17
Huh? Lol AloeVera May 26 #20
Upthread when you got into a quibble about the hospital tunnels where Mohammed Sinwar and the murder videographer lapucelle May 26 #21
Post #3 ? That was not me... AloeVera May 26 #23
Read yor response. N/T lapucelle May 26 #29
Photo of her nine kids prepared for burial.... riversedge May 25 #4
Oh no... AloeVera May 25 #5
Yes. Hamas needs to release the remaining hostages and hostage bodies, surrender, and beg lapucelle May 26 #10
Never mind terrorist organizations use civilians as human shields. That doesn't enter the equation at all because AZLD4Candidate May 26 #18
Looks like the only side proven to use human shields is Israel. AloeVera May 26 #22
When Jewish lives are treated with such reverance, maybe I'll change my mind AZLD4Candidate May 26 #42
In all probability this is yet another lie. Richard D May 26 #30
This is the second time these children have been killed. Richard D May 26 #31
Appalling. There were nine real, alive children burned and mutilated to death. That is indisputable. AloeVera May 26 #33
Says . . . Richard D May 26 #34
You keep repeating 44,000 when that falsehood was called out already. AloeVera May 26 #39
UN lying about 44,000 children dying in 48 hours? Never happened! Beastly Boy May 26 #44
Oh and you are back on ignore. AloeVera May 26 #40
I'll do my best Richard D May 26 #45
Pictures lie and reveal Richard D May 27 #46
According to the article posted by the OP, it was a targeted strike on the father, a Hamas militant terrorist. lapucelle May 28 #49
Damn . . . Richard D May 28 #50
Either way the story stinks to high heaven. lapucelle May 28 #53
Which article was that in? Violet_Crumble Tuesday #62
+972 Magazine. lapucelle Tuesday #64
The 972mag article doesn't say that at all... Violet_Crumble Tuesday #65
No, that's who the +972 magazine piece says are targeted. lapucelle Tuesday #67
The 972mag article doesn't say anything about the father recently killed... Violet_Crumble Tuesday #68
Actually, it's an inference based on evidence that the OP so helpfully provided. lapucelle Tuesday #69
So, it's nothing but yr opinion. Okay. Violet_Crumble Tuesday #70
Just trying to be pro-active.... Because of course the IDF would claim that "terrorists" were there! AloeVera Tuesday #73
Gaza is full of terrorists. lapucelle Tuesday #74
Then Israel is the King of Terror. AloeVera Tuesday #75
Thanks.... AloeVera Tuesday #72
It is not a lie that the children were killed. Even your source says that. AloeVera May 26 #32
That would be a treat NoRethugFriends May 27 #47
Because the story in the OP is raising so many red flags, it is likely a lie. Beastly Boy May 27 #48
$20 billion in 2024 in aid alone from U.S. to Israel. Duncanpup May 28 #51
We didn't give $20 billion dollars in aid to Israel in 2024. N/T lapucelle Thursday #55
Heartbreaking 💔 Goddessartist May 28 #52
Heartbreaking responses can be made to disappear . AloeVera May 28 #54
Sigh Israeli Saturday #56
Thanks... AloeVera Saturday #57
Regarding : Israeli Sunday #58
Very encouraging!! AloeVera Sunday #59
So much could be avoided if Israeli Monday #60
Yep. Violet_Crumble Tuesday #61
Wow, that's exactly what it is. AloeVera Tuesday #63
That one gets trotted out quite regularly, accompanied by dit-dits around Palestinians... Violet_Crumble Tuesday #66
"Why are those children there"? WTAF! AloeVera Tuesday #71
More war crimes Picaro Tuesday #76

John1956PA

(4,124 posts)
1. An AI-detected target walks into a residence, and a smart bomb hits it.
Sat May 24, 2025, 10:32 AM
May 24

That technology was in place regarding the missile strike which Hegseth blabbed about to his brother and to his lawyer, and which the Atlantic editor was privy to via the Signal Chat snafu.

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
2. "Where's Daddy" was developed by the Israeli military and has been in use in Gaza since the beginning of the war.
Sat May 24, 2025, 10:50 AM
May 24

Hegseth and the U.S. may have copied it or borrowed it?

It's used in conjunction with another AI called Lavender that generates targets based on some questionable criteria. It has resulted in some "errors".

As for smart bombs, this is what the 972 Magazine article says:

In addition, according to the sources, when it came to targeting alleged junior militants marked by Lavender, the army preferred to only use unguided missiles, commonly known as “dumb” bombs (in contrast to “smart” precision bombs), which can destroy entire buildings on top of their occupants and cause significant casualties. “You don’t want to waste expensive bombs on unimportant people — it’s very expensive for the country and there’s a shortage [of those bombs],” said C., one of the intelligence officers. Another source said that they had personally authorized the bombing of “hundreds” of private homes of alleged junior operatives marked by Lavender, with many of these attacks killing civilians and entire families as “collateral damage.”


(Bolding mine)

"Unimportant people" and their unimportant neighbours and families....not worth the price of smart bombs.

Beastly Boy

(12,558 posts)
3. Isn't it the same hospital on whose grounds three top Hamas commanders, including Mohammad Sinwar, the leader of Hamas
Sun May 25, 2025, 01:27 AM
May 25

were located and killed?

Surely you must know by now what happens to hospitals that are used to commit, outside their
humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy, and why the presence of a protected person may not be used
to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, and which party to the conflict is responsible for the treatment accorded to protected people, no?

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
6. You're wrong as always.
Sun May 25, 2025, 02:51 PM
May 25

And the lack of concern for nine dead children, killed through a war crime of bombing a civilian home while knowing it was full of kids - is noted indeed.

Beastly Boy

(12,558 posts)
8. Other than your presumptive assertions, there is nothing you can produce to challenge me.
Sun May 25, 2025, 06:24 PM
May 25

And forgive me for not giving your presumptive assertions equal weight to the Geneva Conventions.

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
12. The claim appears to be that it was a targeted attack on Hamdi Al-Najjar via "Where's Daddy?".
Mon May 26, 2025, 06:37 AM
May 26

Why would the doctor's husband be targeted?


Beastly Boy

(12,558 posts)
13. They ran out of claims that appear halfass legitimate. An outright illegitimate one will do just fine
Mon May 26, 2025, 06:47 AM
May 26

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
35. What's interesting is that
Mon May 26, 2025, 07:41 PM
May 26

there's a coterie of folks who showed up on tiktok October 8 through October 14, 2023, and before Israeli had taken a single step against Hamas, the absurd talking points were on full display.

Two things are always consistently missing from the melodramatic tiktok videos: there has never been any anger towards Hamas for destroying Gaza, using civilians as human shields, and stealing food from children over the past two decades and none of the melodramatic hand-wringers has ever come forward to any offer to help to the anti-Hamas protestors and resistance fighters in Gaza who continue to risk their lives every day to try to rid their fellow Palestinians of the scourge of Hamas. There is never even a mention of them. Their cause has been lost to a different agenda.

Not everyone is an easily gaslit by the continual gong of the same repetitive sanctimony that influencers disseminate day in and day out. Odd that there is never content either against Hamas or for the people of Gaza. But because influencers are anything but subtle, it is obvious exactly who it is exactly for and who it is against.

Influencers need to spare the rest of the world their sanctimony and wake up to the fact that they are being used bad actors with one goal.

Of course, I could be proven wrong if any of those who shill content ever get off their asses and do something, anything to help and support the anti-Hamas Palestinians in Gaza who they have been ignoring for the better part of 18 months.

I won't hold my breath.

-------------------------------------

I find it enlightening to read profiles and first posts.




AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
37. Israel started bombing on evening of Oct 7th.
Mon May 26, 2025, 07:56 PM
May 26

Over 10,000 bombs dropped in the first week on that crowded, little strip of land. Just a little inaccuracy I wanted to clear up. Cuz there really WAS something to protest in the first week. Not that Israel's supporters saw anything wrong, cherrwd it on.

As for the rest...there you go AGAIN.

Ever mindful of the TOS, right?

But what does any of that have to do with the murdered children?

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
14. He is a doctor too.
Mon May 26, 2025, 01:08 PM
May 26

You didn't know that?

Did you also not know that healthcare workers are also targets? Odd. It's been widely covered. Perhaps not in pro-Israrl media. Might be time to broaden your horizons.

More than a thousand of them have been killed. Often along with their entire families. As seems to be the case here.

Hundreds more imprisoned, tortured. Over 300 still in Israeli torture-jails.

All victims and hostages to Israel's systematic destruction of the health-care system.

It's astonishing and saddening that, in a thread about nine dead children and Israel's war crime of deliberately killing targets' families through the use of a sadistically-named and designed AI program - there are still people who think this is all ok "because Hamas".

This refusal to see and to defend atrocities is very disturbing. I wager to most people by now.

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
36. Healthcare workers like this guy? "Journalist, doctor held Israelis hostage in Gaza"
Mon May 26, 2025, 07:53 PM
May 26
Journalist, doctor held Israelis hostage in Gaza

https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/journalist-doctor-held-israelis-hostage-in-gaza/

--------------------------------------------------

‘He was a pious man’: The Gaza neighborhood shocked to find Israeli hostages in their midst

In the aftermath of last month’s rescue, neighbors in Nuseirat, a refugee camp in central Gaza, told CNN they were shocked to learn that Ahmed Aljamal, a physician, and his family had kept hostages in their midst.

“Had we known, had he told us, we would have taken safety precautions, hide or move to somewhere else,” one neighbor, Abu Muhammad El Tahrawi, said.

Dr. Aljamal, 74, was a general practitioner and also led the call to prayer at the local mosque, waking early every day to get there before dawn.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/19/middleeast/gaza-neighborhood-israeli-hostages-intl-cmd
--------------------------------------------------------------

The Hostages Next Door: Inside a Notable Gaza Family’s Dark Secret

To the outside world, they were a physician, a journalist. No one suspected their apartment had become a prison.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/the-hostages-next-door-inside-a-notable-gaza-familys-dark-secret-2896f6aa

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
38. So all healthcare workers and their children are guilty?
Mon May 26, 2025, 08:02 PM
May 26

Collective punishment of course is Israel's thing. You just confirmed you see nothing wrong with it.

You can't seem to grasp the very basic laws of war or humanity. It's an issue I see with most Israel supporters.

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
41. A doctor holding hostages in a residential building is disgusting.
Mon May 26, 2025, 09:21 PM
May 26

He relied on his neighbors to serve as human shields and exposed his grandchildren to all the dangers concommitant to the terrorist lifestyle.



Picaro

(2,005 posts)
77. This is a grotesque logical fallacy
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 12:03 AM
Yesterday

Taking a specific incident and generalizing it to condemn an entire population is what others have done. It has always been proven to be wrong.

Trump is doing it with migrants now. The U.S. did this with native Americans. Later law enforcement did this with Italian immigrants and Irish immigrants.

This looks no better on the Israeli IDF and Netenyahu Likud government.

By your logic every massacre can be justified because someone in the hated group did something hateful and vile.

This is not how the moral scales are balanced.

I’m utterly disgusted by what the Israeli government and the IDF are doing.

That doesn’t mean I support mindless terroristic action against the Israeli people.

This man was wrong and was making the same error in ethical logic you are currently making.

NH Ethylene

(31,143 posts)
78. Exactly. Two things can be true at the same time.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 12:38 AM
Yesterday

Israeli was horrifically attacked. Palestinians are being indiscriminately slaughtered.

We aren't rooting for sports teams here.

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
79. "Taking a specific incident and generalizing it to condemn an entire population"...
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 05:25 AM
Yesterday

You do this very thing in your own post.



Picaro

(2,005 posts)
80. Please elucidate.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:22 AM
Yesterday

I’m from Missouri. Show me. Just reread my post and I’m not seeing it.

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
81. My background is in education. Students learn best when they figure things out for themselves.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:57 AM
Yesterday

Reread your post again. Are there categorical statements?

Why yes, there are.

Picaro

(2,005 posts)
82. Snide aren't you--even when you're wrong
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 10:35 AM
Yesterday

When I categorize the IDF and the Israeli government it is because they are part of a system which, while they commit specific atrocities, are part of a system that pursues general results.

If we go down your path in asserting every category is individual and specific then everyone and everything becomes an individual and all acts are individual and general cannot ever be imputed.

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
83. Your profile says that you're from Plano, Texas.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 01:14 PM
Yesterday

I thought you said that you’re from Missouri.

Picaro

(2,005 posts)
84. You just crossed into trollland
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 01:22 PM
Yesterday

My family goes back to the founding of Springfield MO. My great grandfather was a close personal friend of Harry Truman.

Do you think people are trees and are permanently rooted?

Or are you threatening me by noting where I live?

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
85. You said you're from Missouri. You're the one who brought it up.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 01:36 PM
Yesterday

Why say you’re from Missouri if you don’t want people to know?

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
19. Geneva does not authorize going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction on hospitals.
Mon May 26, 2025, 01:50 PM
May 26

Or targeting healthcare workers.

Care must still be taken with both the hospital and the patients.

This is an illustration of the IDF definition of "care".

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You will be hard-pressed to find Geneva authorizing actions that result in mass graves of patients and civilians in hospital court yards, babies left behind to die in pediatric wards by a "forgetful" military or a disabled man in a wheelchair attacked by military dogs just for kicks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c511k1nqx81o



Beastly Boy

(12,558 posts)
24. Geneva does not authorize the use of hospitals for harboring top belligerent commanders.
Mon May 26, 2025, 02:30 PM
May 26

And Geneva does not except hospitals that are in violation of Geneva conventions from being targeted.

And Geneva places responsibility for the treatment of any protected people on the party "in whose hands" they happen to be.

You are ignoring all of the above. For once, acknowledge Hamas' guilt in the horrors you so consistently ascribe to Israel.

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
25. None of it excuses going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction...
Mon May 26, 2025, 02:37 PM
May 26

In addition to using it as a pretext for the systematic destruction of an entire health-care system with the goal of advancing an ethnic cleansing agenda.

You won't find that in Geneva either.

For once, will you admit to the much bigger picture?

Beastly Boy

(12,558 posts)
26. Yes, for some reason "going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction" is not in the Geneva conventions at all.
Mon May 26, 2025, 03:15 PM
May 26

Last edited Mon May 26, 2025, 03:51 PM - Edit history (1)

Either as a war crime, or as a crime against humanity. But it does allow harboring top belligerent commanders to be used as pretext for targeting a hospital.

I DID find it in Geneva. But obviously you won't, and it is not because it is not there to be found. It is because you are preoccupied with finding things that are not there, like "going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction".

And I just challenged you to look at the big picture. You don't appear to be interested, so don't demand of me what you have never considered to do yourself.

I think I told you this Confucius story before:

A prince hired Confucius to be his advisor. The first question he asked Confucius was "How can I find honest people to advise me?"

Confucius responded without hesitation: "Be honest yourself".

The tale doesn't say whether Confucius kept his new job.

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
27. If you truly believe Israel's destruction of health care and hospitals
Mon May 26, 2025, 03:58 PM
May 26

... is allowed or can be rationalized by any clause in Geneva... best of luck to you. You've missed the entire point of the Geneva Conventions.

Beastly Boy

(12,558 posts)
28. I believe nothing. The Geneva conventions are not a religious text to believe or disbelieve.
Mon May 26, 2025, 04:39 PM
May 26

They set equal rules for everybody, to be applied universally and not arbitrarily. You either accept them all or reject them all, as written. You don't get to pick.

What you believe is irrelevant.

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
7. Oh and... the house where the kids burned to death was 3 miles from the hospital grounds.
Sun May 25, 2025, 04:10 PM
May 25

The poor woman walked/ran 3 miles home from the hospital after hearing her house was hit, as she had no transport.

So no, it wasn't the hospital grounds as you surely already knew.

If you can't put yourself in her shoes and imagine the horror, maybe it's time to sit down and try not saying anything at all.





lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
11. So it wasn't an *attack* terrorists hiding in a hospital? The claim is that it was a targeted attack
Mon May 26, 2025, 06:34 AM
May 26

on Hamdi Al-Najjar?

Interesting.

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
9. The Hamas bigwigs were hiding underground in the tunnel under the European Hospital.
Mon May 26, 2025, 05:47 AM
May 26

This most recent strike was on the command center hidden underground in the vicinity of Nasser Hospital.

It was reported that Palestinian *journalist* Hassan Aslih (who live streamed his October 7 murder spree) was killed in the strike.



AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
16. What does that have to do with the strike 3 miles away on a civilian house?
Mon May 26, 2025, 01:14 PM
May 26

Last edited Mon May 26, 2025, 02:39 PM - Edit history (1)

The house where the nine siblings were killed so heartlessly?

Shameless obfuscation and distraction from a horrific crime.

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
20. Huh? Lol
Mon May 26, 2025, 01:55 PM
May 26

Umm... really?

Have no clue what you are talking about! If you do, please elucidate.

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
21. Upthread when you got into a quibble about the hospital tunnels where Mohammed Sinwar and the murder videographer
Mon May 26, 2025, 02:13 PM
May 26

were hit versus what you claimed was a targeted AI strike on Hamdi Al-Najjar.

Folks need to keep track of what they write.



AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
5. Oh no...
Sun May 25, 2025, 02:42 PM
May 25

Such pain and loss... inflicted knowingly and not caring.. it is pure evil.

The magnitude of this woman's loss is what has made people sit up and take notice. Yet this has been happening thousands of times to other mothers. Children too, now orphaned and lost. None of it should have happened. And it still goes on..

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
10. Yes. Hamas needs to release the remaining hostages and hostage bodies, surrender, and beg
Mon May 26, 2025, 06:03 AM
May 26

whatever hellhole autocracy that will have them to spirit them to safety. Wasn't the coward Sinwar trying to negotiate for personal safe passage when he was eliminated?

Meanwhile, the people of Gaza continue to risk their lives to tell the world exactly what Hamas has done and is doing to them, and so many are too busy waging a public relations war to listen.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Anti-Hamas protests in southern Gaza enter third day






AZLD4Candidate

(6,647 posts)
18. Never mind terrorist organizations use civilians as human shields. That doesn't enter the equation at all because
Mon May 26, 2025, 01:39 PM
May 26

Israel is evil and the country needs to do the honorable thing and dissolve immediately so the Hamas freedom fighters can win the war they started.

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
22. Looks like the only side proven to use human shields is Israel.
Mon May 26, 2025, 02:21 PM
May 26
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-army-human-shields-80f358dd2c87a1123f26ffada159701c

But aside from that - these children were just family.

There is no indication that the parents were anything but doctors. Even Israel has not made that claim. Of course it's not going to admit it is targeting doctors at home with their children...

But let's pretend they were Hamas terrorists.That raises another ethical question, at least for me. Suppose Hamas had the capability to bomb an IDF commander or soldier and chose to do so at the precise moment they just got home, ensuring their families were killed too. Would you see a "problem" then? Would you then label the family as "human shields" or dismiss them as "collateral damage"?

Your statement doesn't advance the discussion. We are talking about a horrific crime leading to unbearable grief and the loss of nine young lives.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,647 posts)
42. When Jewish lives are treated with such reverance, maybe I'll change my mind
Mon May 26, 2025, 09:33 PM
May 26

But when my people die, most just yawn.

Same story for 1500 years.

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
33. Appalling. There were nine real, alive children burned and mutilated to death. That is indisputable.
Mon May 26, 2025, 06:50 PM
May 26

You want to change the subject from that.

You can't and I find it appalling.



Richard D

(9,878 posts)
34. Says . . .
Mon May 26, 2025, 07:39 PM
May 26

. . . Hamas. I don't trust them to say anything that is true. Like the 44,000 children who would starve in 48 hours. A total fabrication.
That is appalling. Believing lies, more than that, wanting to believe the lies, is appalling. Did they really die? The story is suspicious as hell. So are the obviously fake photos.

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
39. You keep repeating 44,000 when that falsehood was called out already.
Mon May 26, 2025, 08:14 PM
May 26

Why would you do that? No answer needed. You could ask yourself that.

These children have names. They had life and families. You are dishonouring their lives and memories, and the grief of their families. For the sake of your narrative. Truly, truly appalling.

Beastly Boy

(12,558 posts)
44. UN lying about 44,000 children dying in 48 hours? Never happened!
Mon May 26, 2025, 10:56 PM
May 26

UN lying about 14,000 children dying in 48 hours? No comment...

Richard D

(9,878 posts)
46. Pictures lie and reveal
Tue May 27, 2025, 12:21 AM
May 27


From Facebook

So listen, the media reported a few days ago that Israel killed 9 kids, all children of a Dr. in Gaza.

From the first second, I knew this sounded off. (You don’t have to be a rocket scientist. Look at this ridiculous, obviously fake picture!)

My inbox is full of people asking me if it’s true. I waited to see the information from a reliable source.

And here it is. Basically, fake news. I know, shocker!

Preliminary findings of Khan Yunis strike:

The IDF says the strike targeted four terrorists and was conducted according to protocol.

There is no verified evidence that 9 children were killed, and the photos circulated appear to be fake.

The area had been fully evacuated of civilians, and the IDF says the strike would not have taken place if civilians were known to be present.

This is has been the shared photo of the Gaza Dr. And her children.

You’d think by now, they’d be a lot better at AI generated images. Nine kids, all the same age. Not one is burned.

Yea, ok. These people are so sick. What won’t they do to vilify Israel? The answer? Nothing. They’ve proven that. Just disgusting.

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
49. According to the article posted by the OP, it was a targeted strike on the father, a Hamas militant terrorist.
Wed May 28, 2025, 06:02 AM
May 28

What kind of father uses his own children as human shields?

Richard D

(9,878 posts)
50. Damn . . .
Wed May 28, 2025, 10:14 AM
May 28

. . . well, if it is true that the children were real and killed and not a propaganda ploy, not a father in any sense of the word other than as a genetic donor who doesn't give a damn about his progeny. I'm still in doubt that it really happened, though. I've seen multiple videos of parents in Gaza singing the praises of making their children into jihadis and martyrs, and that they would love nothing more than their children to sacrifice their lives (are sacrificed) for the cause.

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
53. Either way the story stinks to high heaven.
Wed May 28, 2025, 10:52 AM
May 28

I am with you, however. I don't think the story is real, but even if it were, it's the story of a father using his own children as human shields.

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
64. +972 Magazine.
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 12:59 PM
Tuesday
Israel's 'Where's Daddy?' AI system helps target suspected Hamas militants when they're at home with their families, report says

https://archive.ph/sl310#selection-2395.0-2395.128

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It's disgusting that Hamas militants use their own children as human shields. It's a pattern.

‘He was a pious man’: The Gaza neighborhood shocked to find Israeli hostages in their midst

The Aljamal family was widely respected in Gaza’s Nuseirat camp. They were known as pious and prominent members of the community. While people knew they had connections to Hamas, neighbors say no one could have guessed how deep those links truly went.

snip------------------------------

In the aftermath of last month’s rescue, neighbors in Nuseirat, a refugee camp in central Gaza, told CNN they were shocked to learn that Ahmed Aljamal, a physician, and his family had kept hostages in their midst. “Had we known, had he told us, we would have taken safety precautions, hide or move to somewhere else,” one neighbor, Abu Muhammad El Tahrawi, said.

Dr. Aljamal, 74, was a general practitioner and also led the call to prayer at the local mosque, waking early every day to get there before dawn. Dr. Aljamal’s son Abdallah, 36, was a freelance journalist who most recently wrote for the US-based Palestine Chronicle, for which he filed regular dispatches on the war in Gaza.

Neighbors told CNN it was no secret that the family had links to Hamas. “We were worried about the Aljamal house. They are with Hamas,” said a neighbor and family acquaintance.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/19/middleeast/gaza-neighborhood-israeli-hostages-intl-cmd

Violet_Crumble

(36,294 posts)
65. The 972mag article doesn't say that at all...
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 08:28 PM
Tuesday

It doesn't even mention the father because the 972mag article was from last year and the family was killed only in the last week or so. The article you posted is about a different doctor and was from last year as well.

You claimed 'According to the article posted by the OP, it was a targeted strike on the father, a Hamas militant terrorist.' It appears you've added yr opinion onto it, which I've bolded. What information do you have that Hamdi al-Najjar was a Hamas militant terrorist? I'd like to see what sources yr using for that claim...

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
67. No, that's who the +972 magazine piece says are targeted.
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 09:01 PM
Tuesday

It would probably save a lot of lives if Hamas terrorists stopped hiding behind woman, children, and neighbors, and stationed themselves in tunnels a safe distance from civilian infrastructure.




Violet_Crumble

(36,294 posts)
68. The 972mag article doesn't say anything about the father recently killed...
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 09:08 PM
Tuesday

Again, I'll ask where yr getting yr information claiming that the father was a terrorist. Right now all I'm seeing is assumptions.

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
69. Actually, it's an inference based on evidence that the OP so helpfully provided.
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 09:22 PM
Tuesday

Besides, we've already seen an instance of a terrorist doctor and his "journalist" son using their own children and grandchildren as human shields and getting them killed.

Violet_Crumble

(36,294 posts)
70. So, it's nothing but yr opinion. Okay.
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 09:36 PM
Tuesday

Gotcha. It's yr opinion that father was a terrorist. That wasn't how you presented it in yr earlier post. I've got no time for those who blur the lines so that innocent civilians are labelled terrorists.

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
73. Just trying to be pro-active.... Because of course the IDF would claim that "terrorists" were there!
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 10:36 PM
Tuesday

And I knew that Israel developed and uses the "Where's Daddy?" AI program which reflects that society's total callousness and disregard for civilian and children's lives. Even the name reflects a very disturbing - sociopathic, even - outlook on Palestinian families. "Daddy's home!" Explosion! Oh so funny! THERE IS DADDY!

Truly

This was a targeting of a doctor or both doctors. Did you not know that Doctor's and medical workers are targeted, their homes bombed and families killed along with them? Around 1,400 health care workers have been targeted and murdered. PLUS many of their families.

Further, as another +972 article described, Israel uses another AI program called Lavender which creates an "assassination factory" as the article calls it. It is responsible for the awful death toll by having expanded the definition of "targets" to include civic workers, police, civil defense, and a plethora of professions such as doctors and health workers, or anyone with an even tangential association with the GOVERNMENT OF GAZA. It is a licence to kill.

https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/

I believe you already know all this.

lapucelle

(20,250 posts)
74. Gaza is full of terrorists.
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 10:56 PM
Tuesday

Just ask the journalists not employed by the Hamas Ministry of Information.

Gaza journalists speak out about Hamas intimidation, threats, assaults

New York, May 15, 2025—When Gazan journalist Tawfiq Abu Jarad received a phone call from a Hamas security agent warning him not to cover a protest, he readily complied, having been assaulted by Hamas-affiliated forces once before.

The April 27 women’s anti-war demonstration in northern Gaza’s Beit Lahia was small but significant — one of several recent protests criticizing Hamas, which has controlled Gaza with an iron fist since ousting its political rival Fatah in 2007. Designated a terrorist organization by many Western governments, Hamas is known for violently targeting and killing its critics.

“They even told me that I would be responsible if my wife participated in the demonstration,” said Abu Jarad, a 44-year-old correspondent for Ramallah-based privately owned Sawt al-Hurriya radio station. “I have not covered any recent demonstrations,” he concluded, recalling how he was beaten and interrogated for hours by Hamas-affiliated masked assailants in the southern city of Rafah in November 2023, accusing him of “covering events in the Gaza Strip calling for a coup.” He only secured his freedom with a promise to stop reporting.

Another journalist told The Washington Post they feared covering highly unusual demonstrations in March 2025 would lead Hamas to accuse them of spying for Israel. A third said Hamas’ internal security agents sometimes followed journalists as they reported. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity.

https://cpj.org/2025/05/gaza-journalists-speak-out-about-hamas-intimidation-threats-assaults/



AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
75. Then Israel is the King of Terror.
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 11:30 PM
Tuesday

Your reply has nothing to do with what I said. But I'll play one last time.

Whatever Hamas has done, or how it cracks down on journalists reporting dissent, does not absolve Israel of the cruel war crimes I was describing.

It's also wrong to say "Gaza is full of terrorists" . It is exactly what Israel's far-right says to justify turning Gaza into a Death Camp.

Though it is funny to cite the intimidation of journalists by Hamas as evidence Gaza is "full of terrorists". If that qualifies as terrorism, then Israel is the King of Terror as it has actuallt KILLED 159 Palestinian journalists since 2023. Check your own source...

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
72. Thanks....
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 10:11 PM
Tuesday

Just saw these last few comments....

Unbelievable. Typical.

I won't even bother....

And thanks for raising the Alex Jones analogy. I'll add frightening and disgusting to that...

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
32. It is not a lie that the children were killed. Even your source says that.
Mon May 26, 2025, 06:20 PM
May 26

So why do you respond to an o/p describing the killing of children with an assertion that it is likely a lie?

That is... I won't say what I think.

I am not engaging further.

Beastly Boy

(12,558 posts)
48. Because the story in the OP is raising so many red flags, it is likely a lie.
Tue May 27, 2025, 02:32 AM
May 27

Regardless of children being killed, or how many children may have been killed, or under what circumstances they may have been killed, or where they may have been killed, or when they may have been killed.

Now tell me how disgusted you are with me for objecting to the lies that exploit the dead children in Gaza.

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
54. Heartbreaking responses can be made to disappear .
Wed May 28, 2025, 01:23 PM
May 28

Enough heartbreak as it is without enduring it here too.

Hijacking a thread to distract from a very horrific war-crime...even some absurd innuendos, smears and put-downs that get personal...not the first time...I guess when neither facts nor laws and morality are on your side, and all you have are the same old (wrong)talking points and misrepresentations of what was or wasn't said - and when that doesn't work...

It's not just heartbreaking but toxic.

So I've freed myself. Free at last, what I wish for Palestinians!!

Mahalo my friend.


Israeli

(4,378 posts)
56. Sigh
Sat May 31, 2025, 07:37 AM
Saturday

Some responses on this thread are just shameful
How some of you can call yourselves Democrats is beyond me , you sound more like
Likudnicks to me .......thus :

Frantically Dodging Piers Morgan's Questions, Israel's U.K. Envoy Exposed How Indefensible the Gaza War Has Become

Seemingly forgetting that Morgan once strongly supported Israel, U.K. ambassador Tzipi Hotovely deflected his simple questions with blatant whataboutism, failing to coherently address concerns about Israel's far-right genocidal intent in Gaza

Just when it seemed we had hit rock bottom and couldn't sink any lower, there was a knock from below – and Israel's ambassador to the U.K., Tzipi Hotovely, appeared overseas.

The envoy, a former right-wing Likud minister, inexplicably decided that this was a good time to be interviewed, with the world recoiling from the Israeli government's far-right, bloodthirsty policies and the IDF's actions in Gaza, by the sharp and relentless Piers Morgan.

What followed was nothing short of a live public diplomacy disaster. For nearly an hour, Morgan clung to a straightforward question that Hotovely kept dodging: "How is it that you know exactly how many Hamas terrorists were killed but have absolutely no idea how many children have been killed in the process?"

"I simply ask you why," Morgan pressed repeatedly for an answer.

It was clear he understood she would not give one. At one point, Hotovely claimed Israel maintains a low civilian-to-combatant kill ratio, but Morgan challenged her: if she doesn't know how many children have been killed, how could she possibly make that calculation? His point was clear: the refusal to answer reveals the political and military leadership's disregard for Palestinian civilians, whom they don't even count.

"Ask the people who can give you the answer, I don't have it," she finally concluded.

"You're the Israeli ambassador to my country – who else should I ask?!" he shot back.

Even those who skipped the full interview on Piers Morgan Uncensored and saw only short clips, like those aired on Israel's Channel 12 or on social media, could see just how severe another blow to Israel's global image was.

Instead of recognizing that much of the world now views Israel as sending the strongest army in the Middle East to carry out what could be considered a genocide, and preparing accordingly for an interview with Britain's top broadcaster, Hotovely sounded as if she had taken advice from backbencher far-right Israeli MKs.

At the start of the conversation, Morgan, armed with detailed knowledge, threw facts in her face. Every Israeli journalist should study their command of the profession as they grilled her on why, after more than a year and a half, Israel hasn't won the war or achieved its objectives, concluding that Israel's strategy has failed. "How many more children will you kill?" he asked, horrified.

"Piers, Israel doesn't kill children – Hamas uses them as human shields," she replied.

"You're killing children every day!" he snapped, as if she'd forgotten this wasn't an interview with soft Israeli anchors like Amalya Duek or Ofer Haddad on Channel 12 – whose show, just the night before, focused on former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's "defamation campaign abroad," after he alleged Israel is carrying out war crimes in Gaza.

"Answer my question," Morgan declared angrily, after she tried to deflect once again. "The truth is, yes – you're killing a lot of children. It's horrifying. These are war crimes – what else would you call them?" In her eyes, it was all Hamas propaganda – not, say, the painful truth visible to anyone not willfully blind.

"Piers, you don't care about Israeli children," she tried, playing the panic card and evoking fears of another October 7, while Europe still mourns the recent killing of nine children under the age of 18 from one grieving family in Gaza, the children of two doctors.

Throughout the interview, Morgan referenced statements from former Israeli prime ministers and generals – including Olmert, Ehud Barak, and Yair Golan – pointing out that they are not Islamist radicals but Israeli patriots. Not so for Hotovely, who served the government's narrative of destruction and insisted that their criticism was unpatriotic. In her view, everyone must justify Israel's actions as part of a "war for existence."

The ambassador – inexplicably not recalled under the previous unity government led by centrist Yair Lapid – seemed to forget that Morgan was once one of Israel's strongest vocal supporters. From the start of the war, he affirmed Israel's right to self-defense. Even now, he continues to distinguish between the country and its current government's policy. He explained that he's long asked what a proportionate Israeli response would look like – and concluded in recent weeks that what's happening, especially with the ongoing blockade of aid to Gaza, is grossly disproportionate.

Hotovely, facing a host who isn't taken in by spin or manipulation, claimed that far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has no influence on government policy. But Morgan saw straight through her. He's made it perfectly clear what "the real plan is – which is to get all the Palestinians out of Gaza, that's a form of genocide" – what else would you call it?

Instead of salvaging Israel's image even slightly, Hotovely continued down her disastrous path, even asserting that under international law, "it's allowed to attack hospitals." It was a tragic scene: Hotovely floundering under Morgan's determined questioning, in stark contrast to the deferential treatment she receives from Israeli media.

The climax came when Morgan burst out in disgust: "Are you playing whataboutary?" – after she bizarrely brought up historical examples. "Piers, how many Japanese children were killed under American attacks? How many German children were killed under U.K. attacks in World War II?"

If right-wing political pundit Amit Segal, the godfather of Israeli whataboutery, had been sitting across from Piers Morgan, it's likely he would've dismantled the pundit's arguments in seconds. Morgan would have given viewers a rare, masterclass-level media showdown – worth every shekel and pound.

But where is Piers Morgan, and where is someone like Israeli reporter Moran Azulay, who this week "interviewed" Likud Minister Shlomo Karhi on the Knesset Channel? Instead of challenging him or confronting his dangerous rhetoric, she handed him a wide-open platform to spew incitement. Rather than correcting his misleading claims about Golan, leader of the center-left Democrats party, or scrutinizing his destructive actions against the Israeli media, Azulay "challenged" the far-right minister by asking who he'd like to have coffee with – and who in the Knesset he no longer speaks to. Pulitzer-worthy stuff, no doubt.

Source : Haaretz

Link : https://archive.md/S1zpv


AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
57. Thanks...
Sat May 31, 2025, 08:20 PM
Saturday

When you've lost Piers Morgan... And once Piers turns on a dishonest person like this Ambassador, they are in for a world of hurt.

I am sorry to say that Ambassador is absolutely horrendous.

Amit Segal - Netanyahu's "mouthpiece" - has some viewpoints and rationalizations I've seen repeated here... Sigh.

I don't know what the deal is with defending Netanyahu's war crimes. Not even the death of nine siblings raised even a whiff of condemnation in that quarter, only the same old justifications and crap directed at the messenger. Always the same. Not interested in that anymore.

Did you see that now thousands of reservists are refusing to serve or are speaking out about the war - not wanting to commit war crimes? I am so glad to see that. May the tide turn in Israel against this horrible war and somehow may Netanyahu's ouster come to pass.

Edited to add:
The soldiers' refusal and opposition is even making the news in the MSM in the U.S. Surprising, but good!

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-war-soldiers-opposition-strikes-military-operations-rcna209053

Israeli

(4,378 posts)
58. Regarding :
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 03:55 AM
Sunday

"" Did you see that now thousands of reservists are refusing to serve or are speaking out about the war - not wanting to commit war crimes? I am so glad to see that. May the tide turn in Israel against this horrible war and somehow may Netanyahu's ouster come to pass. ""

of course I know about it , there are protests all across the country against the war for some time now.... not just those
for the hostages , recently they are combining .
Doubt you will read much about it in the english media but here are a few links ...

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/events/1745502975

https://www.standing-together.org/en

https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2025-05-18/refusal-strikes-and-protests-can-help-stop-war

Within Israel, tens of thousands of military reservists have signed open letters, petitions, and other statements refusing to rejoin their units if it means fighting in Gaza. Although official figures are not published, the Israeli press has estimated that 50% of reservists in some units are refusing to report for duty.

The wave of refusal, which left-wing magazine 972 has called “the Israeli army’s biggest refusal crisis in decades”, reflects an ongoing shift in mainstream discourse. Even former military and security establishment officials have been speaking out and calling on soldiers to refuse orders. Speaking from the platform of an anti-war demonstration in Tel Aviv on 24 April, a former IDF colonel said: “No-one is off the hook. If you are sent to do wrong, you’re still responsible, even if it’s an order. A pilot sent to bomb a 10-story building because a logistics officer from Hamas lives with his family on the seventh floor should say, ‘No, I won’t do it. I won’t take part in war crimes. The responsibility is on me, because I’m not just following orders.’

“An intelligence officer asked to approve a target that will hurt dozens of civilians because an AI programme says the suspect once stood near someone maybe tied to Hamas, she should say no. A soldier ordered to shoot at medical workers and then bury them should say, ‘No, I won’t shoot. This is on me, because I am not a tool for wrongdoing.’ A soldier in the West Bank entering a village where settlers are attacking Palestinians whose commanders tell her to arrest the Palestinians, not the settlers, should say no.”

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
59. Very encouraging!!
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 09:56 PM
Sunday

And of course you should say no to bombing a 10-story building because a Hamas logistics officer lives on the 7th floor with his family. That it is debatable is shocking to me. But glad to see it being raised and questioned. The protests are very encouraging.

Of course you would know more than me or the North Anerican press about the pulse of Israel. Pretty unthinking of me to phrase it as a question. You probably had a bemused chuckle about that, and I deserved it!

Be well, stay safe and thank you for the support in this awful thread.

Israeli

(4,378 posts)
60. So much could be avoided if
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 07:09 AM
Monday

the international media were allowed into Gaza and/or our media was not so
heavily censored .
REF : https://www.972mag.com/israeli-military-censor-media-2024/

Agreed , its an awful thread , everyone on it should read this in full :

Unable to Justify Their Army Killing Children in Gaza, Israelis Retreat Into Deep Denial

Israeli mainstream media has amplified doubts about the IDF strike that killed nine siblings in Gaza. It reflects a public eager for news that denies the bitter truth, as no Israeli or foreign journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover it

Nir Hasson
May 27, 2025

Israel's mainstream media has, over the past few days, found airtime to cover the nine young al-Najjar siblings killed in their family's Gaza home last Friday during an IDF attack.

But on Monday morning, one headline declared, "Web surfers reveal: The picture of the dead children isn't up-to-date." Another media outlet quoted an anonymous army source who asserted that "it cannot be determined that the children of the doctor in Gaza were killed in an IDF attack."

The tangle of fake news can best be unraveled by stating the facts: Nine siblings – Yahya, Rakan, Raslan, Gebran, Eve, Rival, Sayden, Luqman and Sidra – were, in fact, killed in their Khan Yunis home on Friday. The Israel Defense Forces told Haaretz that on the day of the attack, it was operating in the area.

Nasser Hospital, where the parents Hamdi and Alaa al-Najjar work as doctors, issued a statement Saturday. The incident was verified by the British Sky News network, which interviewed two British doctors at the hospital.

Afterwards, further details were provided by the dead children's uncle. A Gaza rescue organization released gruesome footage of the seven small bodies, burned and torn to pieces, being recovered. The other two children are apparently buried under rubble. Major media outlets published photos of the family and the bodies a few hours after the incident.

Layers of fake news were quickly appended to the hard facts. For example, photos created with artificial intelligence of the mother with the bodies of her children were distributed. Photos of children from other families, alleged to be the children who were killed, were also circulated. These included a photo of seven children sitting and drinking juice from plastic cups, which was said to be of the al-Najjar siblings, when, in fact, it showed another family – the Abu Daka family.

The picture of those children had been circulated in mid-March after five of them – Omar, Muhammad, Hala, Sama and Qusai – were killed the night Israel first violated the cease-fire. That night, about 300 Palestinian women and children were killed in a series of bombings in the Gaza Strip. Perhaps the mainstream and social media should be forgiven – so many children and so many families have been killed, it is hard to keep all the facts straight.

Last week, the Gaza Health Ministry published the names of 16,506 children killed since the war began in October 2023. Three weeks ago, it announced that 2,200 Gazan families had been struck from the population register because all their members had been killed.

The Israeli media – some of which published the erroneous images – has been celebrating the doubts that have surfaced about the event. Instead of apologizing, they have circulated misleading images and published reports aimed at undermining the veracity of the incident. A major Israeli media outlet used a photo of the Abu Daka family to "ask questions" – that is, to cast doubt on what actually happened that day.

Public relations people call this "merchandising doubt," but in Israeli discourse, it's just, "I'm just asking a question." A similar practice has been employed with the Rabin assassination, the "flat earth" theory, and Deep State conspiracies. Merchandising doubt is easy and effective because it allows one to challenge reality without denying it.

However, the media does not only represent itself – it reflects the public mood. Its coverage doesn't fall on deaf ears. The Israeli public is seeking news that denies the bitter truth.


Lies, exaggerations and fake news have dominated Israeli discourse since October 7. To this day, millions of Israelis still believe that on that day, terrorists beheaded a baby, hung a child on a clothesline, put a baby in an oven, and removed a fetus from a pregnant woman. All of these stories have been debunked countless times, but are still regarded as factual.

The fake news, of course, doesn't stop there. The Israeli mainstream is obsessed with the "Pallywood" conspiracy – a mashup of the words Palestine and Hollywood – which claims that the horror videos coming out of Gaza are staged. Needless to say, there is no proof for the theory.

In defense of the Israeli media, it must be acknowledged that it is difficult to cover the war in Gaza. Journalists have to write about it remotely, without access to the war zone and without the ability to hear the voices and see the sights with their own eyes. The fact that the residents of Gaza live in fear under Hamas' reign of terror, hungry and without shelter, while exposed to severe bombings, makes the work of the journalist seeking the truth even more difficult.

Add to this the difficulties of communication in the Gaza Strip, as well as the fact that the IDF prohibits foreign journalists from entering its territory. All of this is happening at a time when AI is growing more sophisticated at an exponential rate. It is increasingly difficult to distinguish between real and fabricated images.

But all these limitations cannot excuse the media for preferring negligence and flattery over professionalism. Instead of dealing with the matter itself – the terrible disaster, the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed in our name and with our hands – the media throws unanswered questions up in the air.


Denying atrocities committed in our name is not unique to Israelis. Many Palestinians deny the horrors of October 7 to this day and believe that most of those killed were hit by IDF fire and that Hamas didn't kill civilians, only soldiers. Dr. Assaf David, of the Forum for Regional Thinking and the Van Leer Institute, sees the similarity between the two societies in this as a source of comfort.
"Denying the atrocities that your side has committed is an attempt to maintain your humanity," he explains. "When you say, 'There are things that my side cannot do,' it is actually a statement saying that I cannot justify these things. It's true that it's a lie and that we do do these things, but denial is trying to set a moral standard."

Israelis try to distance themselves from the atrocity through denial, instead of distancing themselves from the reality. We must tell the truth so that the atrocities stop. It is up to us.

Source : Haaretz

Link : https://archive.md/clVQ8#selection-1325.0-1325.188

Violet_Crumble

(36,294 posts)
61. Yep.
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 11:43 AM
Tuesday

I just read some stuff denying the family died. There's some Alex Jones and Sandy Hook vibes going on.

AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
63. Wow, that's exactly what it is.
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 12:57 PM
Tuesday

Next we'll find out there are no Palestinians, never were. Actually, come to think of it, that's already been tried!

Violet_Crumble

(36,294 posts)
66. That one gets trotted out quite regularly, accompanied by dit-dits around Palestinians...
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 08:43 PM
Tuesday

It's not often at all that I find common ground with Piers Morgan, but even he's had enough of the ugly bullshit coming from the Israel Is Always Right brigade.



During a debate on Piers Morgan Uncensored, lawyer Natasha Hausdorff argued that it “couldn’t be further from the fact” to say that Israel is targeting children. When Morgan brought up the al-Najjar family, Hausdorff claimed the reporting was largely based on hearsay. A stunned Morgan then pressed Hausdorff:

MORGAN: Wait a minute, you don’t believe that those children were killed?

HAUSDORFF: I have seen conflicting accounts and I want that story to be properly investigated–

MORGAN: Wow.

HAUSDORFF: –before the international media runs with it.

MORGAN: You think those two parents — one of whom, I think, operated on one of the children — you think that those two doctors, the parents, they just made it up–

HAUSDORFF: Why are those children there?

MORGAN: –that nine of their 10 children had been blown to pieces by an Israeli air strike?

HAUSDORFF: If this is true–

MORGAN: You don’t believe it?

HAUSDORFF: Why on earth was artificially-generated imagery used to promote this story when it first happened? We’ve seen time and time again–

MORGAN: I gotta say, I think what you’ve just said about that family is despicable. I’m sorry. It’s despicable.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/piers-morgan-lays-into-pro-israel-lawyer-denying-killing-of-nine-children-in-gaza-what-you-ve-just-said-is-despicable/ar-AA1G23X7?ocid=BingNewsSerp


I'll add revolting, hateful, and disgusting to Morgan's despicable. People who are peddling that ugly shit are no better than those who denied what happened on October 7.



AloeVera

(2,903 posts)
71. "Why are those children there"? WTAF!
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 09:52 PM
Tuesday

It is their home! Or was.

This woman tried to insinuate that the children were "human shields". That's where her question was going. I wish Piers had not cut her off but let her expose once and for all the Big Lie of the mythical human shields. That they were not "human shields" but children, wives, aunts, uncles, grandparents, neighbours. And that they were simply at home.

That Big Lie burned my a** since the beginning and I argued it in vain. At that time there were what seemed like hundreds of pro-Israel members, all having a go at me. Why it bothered me so much was that I knew that acceptance of that hasbara lie would lead to the destruction of Gaza, and then the ethnic cleansing made inevitable by it. Lo and behold...

I despised Piers Morgan's coverage of Gaza. It was so sycophantic to Israel, lacking in independent critical thought, at least in the beginning of. So I say that when you've lost Piers Morgan...

Happily he did the same thing to Israel's Ambassador to the UN recently. He was hopping mad and she deserved every minute of it. She is a piece of work too.

Picaro

(2,005 posts)
76. More war crimes
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 11:47 PM
Tuesday

Or perhaps simply crimes against humanity.

The Israeli government and the Israeli Defense Forces have been conducting a brutal war of extermination against a largely innocent civilian population since the Hamas attacks on October 17th.

Hamas is using the population of Gaza as human shields. The Israeli government is taking advantage and is killing without restraint.

This is genocide.

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