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If Macron pulls this off, he will win the Nobel Peace Prize that Trump craves. (Original Post) lapucelle Jul 25 OP
It's a two state solution with a demilitarized Palestinian State, free election in 2026, the removal of Hamas, lapucelle Jul 25 #1
France will recognise Palestinian state, Macron says riversedge Jul 25 #2
It's important to read the full text of Macron's announcement. Israel will be recognized by the Palestinian State. lapucelle Jul 25 #4
Yeah, it's reckless. The US will have to find someone else to sell weapons to. Conjuay Jul 25 #11
I'm looking forward to any of the talking heads who get paid big bucks for "analysis" lapucelle Jul 25 #3
If Macron wins the Nobel Peace Prize... Gimpyknee Jul 25 #5
If the deal goes through, the odious term "Zionist entity" will be no more, lapucelle Jul 25 #6
Guess I need to call out goggle.28? efhmc Jul 25 #20
Macron must be assuming that Palestinians will accept the same offer they turned down four times before. ancianita Jul 25 #7
Abbas agreed to the terms, according to the letter released by the Elysee Palace. lapucelle Jul 25 #10
Surely he's aware of that. ShazzieB Jul 25 #16
Maybe. But over time, when different leaders say similar things, they might just believe ancianita Jul 25 #17
That would be a magnificent moment. calimary Jul 25 #8
Hamas, err, I mean the Palestinians will never go for this. Ligyron Jul 25 #9
Hey, Ted Cruz... rubbersole Jul 25 #12
(hashtag) #TedCruzMustLose red dog 1 Jul 25 #18
desperation may lead to something this time. nt wiggs Jul 25 #13
Pending nuclear meltdown from the White House EnergizedLib Jul 25 #14
Great if it happens edhopper Jul 25 #15
That would be a blessing beyond measure if it worked. But tiny hitler's man will not let it happen. efhmc Jul 25 #19
Knesset votes 71-13 for non-binding motion calling to annex West Bank Israeli Jul 27 #21
Smotrich says return of Jewish settlements to Gaza now realistic, 'needs to be much bigger' than before Israeli Jul 29 #22

lapucelle

(20,607 posts)
1. It's a two state solution with a demilitarized Palestinian State, free election in 2026, the removal of Hamas,
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 10:56 AM
Jul 25

and the recognition of Israel.

riversedge

(77,242 posts)
2. France will recognise Palestinian state, Macron says
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 11:03 AM
Jul 25



https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg5g4p3245o

France will recognise Palestinian state, Macron says
10 hours ago
Jaroslav Lukiv

Reuters Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas (left) and French President Emmanuel Macron during talks in Paris in July 2022 Reuters


France will officially recognise a Palestinian state in September, President Emmanuel Macron has said, which will make it the first G7 nation to do so.

In a post on X, Macron said the formal announcement would be made at a session of the UN General Assembly in New York.

"The urgent need today is for the war in Gaza to end and for the civilian population to be rescued. Peace is possible. We need an immediate ceasefire, the release of all hostages, and massive humanitarian aid to the people of Gaza," he wrote.

Palestinian officials welcomed Macron's decision, while Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the move "rewards terror" following Hamas's 7 October 2023 attack in Israel.


The US "strongly rejects" Macron's announcement, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said, calling the decision "reckless".

The G7 is a group of major industrialised nations, which alongside France includes the US, the UK, Italy, Germany, Canada and Japan.

In his Thursday post




lapucelle

(20,607 posts)
4. It's important to read the full text of Macron's announcement. Israel will be recognized by the Palestinian State.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 11:09 AM
Jul 25
The agreement calls for the Palestinian State to recognize Israel, remove Hamas, demilitarize, and hold free and fair elections.

It's a two state solution.

lapucelle

(20,607 posts)
3. I'm looking forward to any of the talking heads who get paid big bucks for "analysis"
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 11:05 AM
Jul 25

to explain the full scope of the announcement from the Élysée Palace.

All I've been seeing this morning are superficial headlines screeching something about Macron.

The deal calls for...

- a two state solution
- the release of the hostages
- the removal of Hamas
- demilitarization of the Palestinian State
- the recognition of Israel

lapucelle

(20,607 posts)
6. If the deal goes through, the odious term "Zionist entity" will be no more,
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 12:50 PM
Jul 25

and the chants of "from the river to the sea" will be silenced.

According to Macron's statement, recognition of a Palestinian State is predicated on its recognition of Israel. Hopefully Macron will also be able to drag the 28 UN member states that do not recognize Israel into the 21st century.

ancianita

(41,422 posts)
7. Macron must be assuming that Palestinians will accept the same offer they turned down four times before.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 12:54 PM
Jul 25

Especially the parts about their demilitarization and especially full recognition of Israel.

lapucelle

(20,607 posts)
10. Abbas agreed to the terms, according to the letter released by the Elysee Palace.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 01:30 PM
Jul 25

Either Abbas is or isn't a man of his word. The world shall soon see.

=========================

Full English text of Macron's announcement and letter outlining the agreement.



=============================


Full French text of Macron's announcement and letter.






ShazzieB

(21,413 posts)
16. Surely he's aware of that.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 02:05 PM
Jul 25

But that doesn't mean making the offer would be a waste of time.

The way the Palestinians respond to such an offer will clarify a lot of things about their intentions and expectations, imo.

I'll be very interested to see how this turns out.

ancianita

(41,422 posts)
17. Maybe. But over time, when different leaders say similar things, they might just believe
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 02:16 PM
Jul 25

they're doing something new and different. There are other considerations beyond the list shown in the news report.
Land -- its location, quality, and control -- is usually the sticking point. And a newly created country in the 21st Century? I trust Macron more than Abbas to commit to completing this in good faith.
You're right. We'll see whether Abbas and Macron will get this done.

calimary

(87,474 posts)
8. That would be a magnificent moment.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 01:21 PM
Jul 25

Historic. I’d expect a move like that WOULD earn the Nobel Peace Prize.

And the only one bellyaching about how “unfair” it all is - would be the donald.

Ligyron

(7,978 posts)
9. Hamas, err, I mean the Palestinians will never go for this.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 01:29 PM
Jul 25

They just constantly want to. complain about
Something

rubbersole

(10,297 posts)
12. Hey, Ted Cruz...
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 01:33 PM
Jul 25

..still think the French are "cheese eating surrender monkeys"? Go lay on a foreign beach somewhere- you bloated beached whale pos.

edhopper

(36,550 posts)
15. Great if it happens
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 01:51 PM
Jul 25

but Hamas will never demilitarize and never, never recognize Israel.
Hamas is not Sinn Fein

efhmc

(15,768 posts)
19. That would be a blessing beyond measure if it worked. But tiny hitler's man will not let it happen.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 07:26 PM
Jul 25

Israeli

(4,452 posts)
21. Knesset votes 71-13 for non-binding motion calling to annex West Bank
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 07:14 AM
Jul 27
Symbolic resolution calls West Bank ‘inseparable part of the Land of Israel’; critics say it reflects misplaced priorities as PA calls it ‘dangerous escalation’

The Knesset approved a non-binding motion in favor of annexing the West Bank on Wednesday, a symbolic gesture that united the otherwise fractious right-wing governing coalition.

The resolution, which passed 71-13, declared that the West Bank is “an inseparable part of the Land of Israel, the historical, cultural and spiritual homeland of the Jewish people” and that “Israel has the natural, historical and legal right to all of the territories of the Land of Israel.”

It called on the government to “apply Israeli sovereignty, law, judgment and administration to all the areas of Jewish settlement of all kinds in Judea, Samaria and the Jordan Valley,” the government’s term for the West Bank. The motion was advanced by Religious Zionism MK Simcha Rothman, Likud MK Dan Illouz and opposition Yisrael Beytenu MK Oded Forer.

Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan in the 1967 Six Day War, and the territory is now estimated to be home to more than 500,000 Israeli settlers, in addition to millions of Palestinians. Much of the international community says Israel is illegally occupying the territory and views the settlements as violations of international law, which Israel disputes.

“This is our land. This is our home. The Land of Israel belongs to the people of Israel,” Knesset Speaker Amir Ohana said after the vote. “In 1967, the occupation did not begin; it ended, and our homeland was returned to its rightful owners. We are the original first natives of this piece of land. Jews cannot be the ‘occupier’ of a land that for 3,000 years has been called Judea.”

Annexation of the West Bank, or of its Israeli settlements, is a longtime aspiration of the Israeli right. In 2019, ahead of an election, Netanyahu pledged to annex the Jordan Valley, on the territory’s eastern flank. But that pledge and similar efforts took a backseat amid a protracted political crisis that saw a string of inconclusive elections. The government has not pursued binding annexation legislation since, though it voted in similar numbers last year against the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Wednesday’s vote came days before lawmakers will break for a nearly three-month recess, and as the coalition fights for its political life. On the same day, Likud MKs voted to unseat their colleague Yuli Edelstein as chair of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, replacing him with Boaz Bismuth, a loyalist of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who is expected to advance a law regulating ultra-Orthodox enlistment.

The ultra-Orthodox parties, which left the coalition due to disputes over the enlistment law, nevertheless joined Likud and other right-wing parties in voting for the annexation resolution. The opposition Yisrael Beiteinu also voted in favor.


Voting against were the Arab parties as well as the left-wing Democrats. The largest opposition parties, Yesh Atid and Blue and White, did not vote on the motion.

“Annexation of Judea and Samaria is a clear danger to the future of the state of Israel and the Zionist enterprise,” Democrats MK Gilad Kariv posted on X, calling the motion “a smokescreen for abandoning the hostages [held by Hamas in Gaza] and advancing an evasion law.”

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s deputy, Hussein al-Sheikh, called the annexation vote a “dangerous escalation that undermines the prospects for peace, stability and the two-state solution.”

Sheikh also called the vote “a direct assault on the rights of the Palestinian people,” who ostensibly would not receive equal rights to their Israeli settler neighbors in a scenario where Jerusalem annexes the West Bank.

Urging the international community to intervene to roll back Israeli “violations,” the senior Palestinian official said countries should recognize a Palestinian state in response.

Source : https://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-votes-71-13-for-non-binding-motion-calling-to-annex-west-bank/






Israeli

(4,452 posts)
22. Smotrich says return of Jewish settlements to Gaza now realistic, 'needs to be much bigger' than before
Tue Jul 29, 2025, 05:29 AM
Jul 29

By Sam Sokol
Today, 11:51 am

Calling the Gaza Strip “an inseparable part of the Land of Israel,” Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich says that while returning to the settlements Israel left in 2005 had been “wishful thinking” for a long time, it is now a “realistic” option.

Addressing a conference at the Gush Katif Heritage Center marking two decades since the Israel’s unilateral withdrawal from Gaza, the far-right minister says he does “not want to go back to Gush Katif — it’s too small, it needs to be much bigger, much more expansive.”

Gush Katif was the major bloc of Israeli settlements in Gaza before the Disengagement, housing some 8,500 people in 17 communities.

Source : https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-says-return-of-jewish-settlements-to-gaza-now-realistic-needs-to-be-much-bigger-than-before/

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