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lapucelle
(20,397 posts)and the recognition of Israel.
riversedge
(76,801 posts)https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg5g4p3245o
France will recognise Palestinian state, Macron says
10 hours ago
Jaroslav Lukiv
Reuters Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas (left) and French President Emmanuel Macron during talks in Paris in July 2022 Reuters
France will officially recognise a Palestinian state in September, President Emmanuel Macron has said, which will make it the first G7 nation to do so.
In a post on X, Macron said the formal announcement would be made at a session of the UN General Assembly in New York.
"The urgent need today is for the war in Gaza to end and for the civilian population to be rescued. Peace is possible. We need an immediate ceasefire, the release of all hostages, and massive humanitarian aid to the people of Gaza," he wrote.
Palestinian officials welcomed Macron's decision, while Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the move "rewards terror" following Hamas's 7 October 2023 attack in Israel.
The US "strongly rejects" Macron's announcement, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said, calling the decision "reckless".
The G7 is a group of major industrialised nations, which alongside France includes the US, the UK, Italy, Germany, Canada and Japan.
In his Thursday post
lapucelle
(20,397 posts)It's a two state solution.
Conjuay
(2,595 posts)N/T
lapucelle
(20,397 posts)to explain the full scope of the announcement from the Élysée Palace.
All I've been seeing this morning are superficial headlines screeching something about Macron.
The deal calls for...
- a two state solution
- the release of the hostages
- the removal of Hamas
- demilitarization of the Palestinian State
- the recognition of Israel
Gimpyknee
(421 posts)Trump will double the tariff on France.
lapucelle
(20,397 posts)and the chants of "from the river to the sea" will be silenced.
According to Macron's statement, recognition of a Palestinian State is predicated on its recognition of Israel. Hopefully Macron will also be able to drag the 28 UN member states that do not recognize Israel into the 21st century.
efhmc
(15,748 posts)ancianita
(41,183 posts)Especially the parts about their demilitarization and especially full recognition of Israel.
lapucelle
(20,397 posts)Either Abbas is or isn't a man of his word. The world shall soon see.
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Full English text of Macron's announcement and letter outlining the agreement.
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Full French text of Macron's announcement and letter.
ShazzieB
(21,209 posts)But that doesn't mean making the offer would be a waste of time.
The way the Palestinians respond to such an offer will clarify a lot of things about their intentions and expectations, imo.
I'll be very interested to see how this turns out.
ancianita
(41,183 posts)they're doing something new and different. There are other considerations beyond the list shown in the news report.
Land -- its location, quality, and control -- is usually the sticking point. And a newly created country in the 21st Century? I trust Macron more than Abbas to commit to completing this in good faith.
You're right. We'll see whether Abbas and Macron will get this done.
calimary
(87,193 posts)Historic. Id expect a move like that WOULD earn the Nobel Peace Prize.
And the only one bellyaching about how unfair it all is - would be the donald.
Ligyron
(7,956 posts)They just constantly want to. complain about
Something
rubbersole
(10,170 posts)..still think the French are "cheese eating surrender monkeys"? Go lay on a foreign beach somewhere- you bloated beached whale pos.
red dog 1
(31,523 posts)(On both Bluesky and X)
wiggs
(8,321 posts)EnergizedLib
(2,660 posts)If Macron wins the Peace Prize for this.
edhopper
(36,409 posts)but Hamas will never demilitarize and never, never recognize Israel.
Hamas is not Sinn Fein
efhmc
(15,748 posts)Israeli
(4,431 posts)The Knesset approved a non-binding motion in favor of annexing the West Bank on Wednesday, a symbolic gesture that united the otherwise fractious right-wing governing coalition.
The resolution, which passed 71-13, declared that the West Bank is an inseparable part of the Land of Israel, the historical, cultural and spiritual homeland of the Jewish people and that Israel has the natural, historical and legal right to all of the territories of the Land of Israel.
It called on the government to apply Israeli sovereignty, law, judgment and administration to all the areas of Jewish settlement of all kinds in Judea, Samaria and the Jordan Valley, the governments term for the West Bank. The motion was advanced by Religious Zionism MK Simcha Rothman, Likud MK Dan Illouz and opposition Yisrael Beytenu MK Oded Forer.
Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan in the 1967 Six Day War, and the territory is now estimated to be home to more than 500,000 Israeli settlers, in addition to millions of Palestinians. Much of the international community says Israel is illegally occupying the territory and views the settlements as violations of international law, which Israel disputes.
This is our land. This is our home. The Land of Israel belongs to the people of Israel, Knesset Speaker Amir Ohana said after the vote. In 1967, the occupation did not begin; it ended, and our homeland was returned to its rightful owners. We are the original first natives of this piece of land. Jews cannot be the occupier of a land that for 3,000 years has been called Judea.
Annexation of the West Bank, or of its Israeli settlements, is a longtime aspiration of the Israeli right. In 2019, ahead of an election, Netanyahu pledged to annex the Jordan Valley, on the territorys eastern flank. But that pledge and similar efforts took a backseat amid a protracted political crisis that saw a string of inconclusive elections. The government has not pursued binding annexation legislation since, though it voted in similar numbers last year against the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Wednesdays vote came days before lawmakers will break for a nearly three-month recess, and as the coalition fights for its political life. On the same day, Likud MKs voted to unseat their colleague Yuli Edelstein as chair of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, replacing him with Boaz Bismuth, a loyalist of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who is expected to advance a law regulating ultra-Orthodox enlistment.
The ultra-Orthodox parties, which left the coalition due to disputes over the enlistment law, nevertheless joined Likud and other right-wing parties in voting for the annexation resolution. The opposition Yisrael Beiteinu also voted in favor.
Voting against were the Arab parties as well as the left-wing Democrats. The largest opposition parties, Yesh Atid and Blue and White, did not vote on the motion.
Annexation of Judea and Samaria is a clear danger to the future of the state of Israel and the Zionist enterprise, Democrats MK Gilad Kariv posted on X, calling the motion a smokescreen for abandoning the hostages [held by Hamas in Gaza] and advancing an evasion law.
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbass deputy, Hussein al-Sheikh, called the annexation vote a dangerous escalation that undermines the prospects for peace, stability and the two-state solution.
Sheikh also called the vote a direct assault on the rights of the Palestinian people, who ostensibly would not receive equal rights to their Israeli settler neighbors in a scenario where Jerusalem annexes the West Bank.
Urging the international community to intervene to roll back Israeli violations, the senior Palestinian official said countries should recognize a Palestinian state in response.
Source : https://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-votes-71-13-for-non-binding-motion-calling-to-annex-west-bank/
Israeli
(4,431 posts)By Sam Sokol
Today, 11:51 am
Calling the Gaza Strip an inseparable part of the Land of Israel, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich says that while returning to the settlements Israel left in 2005 had been wishful thinking for a long time, it is now a realistic option.
Addressing a conference at the Gush Katif Heritage Center marking two decades since the Israels unilateral withdrawal from Gaza, the far-right minister says he does not want to go back to Gush Katif its too small, it needs to be much bigger, much more expansive.
Gush Katif was the major bloc of Israeli settlements in Gaza before the Disengagement, housing some 8,500 people in 17 communities.
Source : https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-says-return-of-jewish-settlements-to-gaza-now-realistic-needs-to-be-much-bigger-than-before/