Genocidal sentiment in Israel IS mainstream. Look at the former head of Israeli military intelligence, who said for every Israeli killed on October 7th, 50 Palestinians must die for the sake of future Israeli generations. And that a Nakba must be inflicted repeatedly to teach a lesson.

The protests yesterday, and the morale problem in the IDF, have nothing to do with concern for the suffering of Palestinians or the crimes committed against them. Rather, it's a revolt against Netanyahu himself and his self-serving interests at the cost of the hostages' lives.

As he says, a moral and ethical collapse is the price of long-term occupation and it has been happening for many years, long before October 7th. I would add long-term impunity also is a factor. Accountability - consequences - is long overdue. It really is the only thing that will stop this genocide.

You say,

All of it? The entire Israeli society?

Your next sentence: The only evidence you offer are the words of a former head of Israeli intelligence. How is this proof that

Next, you dismiss the many Israelis participating in protests as self-serving liars. You say the protests

How do you know that? Have you questioned each and every Israeli protester? You state that none of them care about Palestinians. What about the IDF soldier who made this video? What about the DUers who state that they are Israelis, who frequently criticize the war and advocate for Palestinians?

Your final paragraph sounds to me like you consider Israel's people to be so morally degenerate that Israel itself should cease to exist.

If I am mistaken please clarify your meaning.

The protests were BILLED as solidarity with the hostage families and an end to the war in order to bring them home. Israelis want Netanyahu to prioritize bringing the hostages home over his other war goals.

I did not characterize the protesters as self-serving liars as you described. They did not lie about their goals, they were upfront. It is you who ascribe goals to them which they did not have and which seems to allow you to put words in my mouth I did not say and would never say. I applaud the protesters for taking a stand for what they believe and which I happen to believe too - the sanctity of life trumps and political or even ideological considerations. They just have not extended that belief to Palestinians yet.

I'm sure you would agree that a society is represented by its mainstream, not its outer fringes - fringes that are ostracized, persecuted and attacked by the majority. Of course no society is homogenous. But it's not reasonable to assert that because there are a few dissenting voices that the entire mainstream can be whitewashed by the bravery of the few. As we did not whitewash Germany or we do not whitewash Russia, despite the existence of a few dissenters.

Of course there were some protesters - the same few who have been protesting for months - who also prioritize Palestinians. They are the ones who've been showing pictures of burned and maimed babies and emaciated children. And a tiny minority of peace activists who've been at it for decades. One of those protesters told me recently that the protesters have been subjected to violence from the police - horses and water cannon too - as well as the right-wing mobs who attack them viciously while the police stand by and do nothing. Dissent and opposing voices are silenced in Israel and that is an authoritarian reality not many of Israel's supporters seem to have grappled with.

If you need proof of widespread genocidal sentiments, you really don't have far to look. But I'll give you just one. According to a Pew Research poll, 7 months into the war, only 4% of Israeli Jews thought that Netanyahu had gone too far in the response to the Hamas attack. Everyone else thought it was either just right or had not gone far enough. And recently, another poll indicated that nearly half thought that after conquering a city, it was justified to kill all its inhabitants and around 80% believed that ethnically cleansing all Palestinians out of Gaza to another country was acceptable. And now Netanyahu is boasting about Greater Israel and that "we are already there".

You may think all of this is normal and non-genocidal but I don't. I stand by my statements.

There was only one DUer that I know of who is an Israeli who criticized the war throughout. They did not fare well.

I don't know what IDF soldier "who made this video" you are referring to. I do applaud the IDF soldiers who spoke out against the war and detailed the war crimes in Haaretz and +972 magazine - when you have a chance, take a look at what they say. But again, I refer you back to the distinction between a society and its dissenters, who cannot serve to whitewash that society, being on the fringes far from the mainstream.

You wrote:
"Your final paragraph sounds to me like you consider Israel's people to be so morally degenerate that Israel itself should cease to exist."

I called for accountability and consequences. It is bitterly amusing to me that such a call would elicit accusations of wanting to dismantle the state of Israel. Perhaps what you are saying without realizing it is that, with accountability, the state of Israel would cease to exist. I rest my case.

Your words are here for all to read and make their own assessments.

While still answering them, with the context and details they didn't even deserve. Your brush-off is typical and here for all to see.

You can respond to my posts in future if you wish but it's not likely I'll be responding back.

So no, there is no correct info, only some opinion from a Turk or Brit.

and should be verifiable by public record.

As to why they did it could be opinion but logic would dictate they're not doing because they're infatuated with Israeli government policies in regards to Gaza and proud of what they saw.

How much of the reality of Gaza, and/or the plight of the Palestinians does Israeli T.V. show?

Netanyahu doesn't allow the international press into Gaza for a reason and it isn't because he's concerned about their safety.

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is at a 13 year high.

This is all I was able to find, you read a "source", so please add the link.

I would also appreciate that your misquote of 900 suicides be edited to show the correct count and link. You have people rec'ing your post with incorrect numbers and taking it for a fact. This is how misinformation blossoms and I know that none of us here wants that to happen.

Thank you in advance, Uncle Joe.

Furthermore the body in the OP spells out what it is, that 900 is total deaths.

"Netanyahu’s war in Gaza is taking a heavy toll — nearly 900 Israeli soldiers killed since October 2023, with rising suicides adding to the toll. We spoke to journalist Antony Loewenstein to get his view."

As for googling This was as of July 30th

Nearly 50 Israeli soldiers commit suicide since Gaza war: Report

Hundreds of soldiers with psychological injuries admitted to army’s rehabilitation division every month, Haaretz says

Nearly 50 Israeli soldiers have died by suicide since the outbreak of the Gaza war in October 2023, local media said on Wednesday.

The daily Haaretz said 17 soldiers committed suicide this year, while 24 killed themselves in 2024, and 17 in 2023, including seven following the Gaza war.

(snip)

The Israeli army has pursued a brutal offensive on Gaza since Oct. 7, 2023, killing over 60,000 Palestinians. The relentless bombardment has devastated the enclave and led to food shortages.

On Monday, Israeli rights groups B’Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights-Israel accused Israel of committing genocide in Gaza, citing the systematic destruction of Palestinian society and the deliberate dismantling of the territory’s healthcare system.

(snip)

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/nearly-50-israeli-soldiers-commit-suicide-since-gaza-war-report/3646612

This an AI overview

Question "How many Israeli soldiers have committed suicide"

(snip)

There are alarming concerns about rising suicide rates among Israeli soldiers, particularly since the start of the Gaza War in October 2023. The Israeli military has admitted the rise in suicides is linked to the ongoing war.
Here's a breakdown of the reported numbers:
2023: 17 soldiers died by suicide, with seven of these occurring after October 7th.
2024: 21 soldiers died by suicide, marking the highest annual toll in over a decade.
2025: As of mid-August, at least 18 soldiers have taken their own lives, according to Israeli media reports.

(snip)

As for your source:

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Overall, we rate Anadolu Agency Right Biased editorially and Mixed factually due to poor sourcing. Further, this is an agency controlled by the right-wing ruling party and has a very strong pro-government state bias.
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Bias Rating: RIGHT
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Country: Turkey
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Media Type: News Agency
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
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Read our profile on Turkey’s media and government.

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who is too far to the right?

Netanyahu says Hitler didn't want to kill the Jews, but a Muslim convinced him to do it

Oct 22, 2015

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu says Adolf Hitler didn't want to kill the Jews, but a Muslim convinced him to do it.

Holocaust historians disagree

Uncle Joe: Post 6

Mosby: Post 8



Uncle Joe: Post9



But you knew that.

You should know that.

P.S. I didn't know it until I googled it.

to report a story about something that happened in Brooklyn.

It's bewildering that folks are their getting news from right wing sources located in countries where there is little to no press freedom. I wish they wouldn't drag it here.

Thanks for the screen shot. I haven't figured that one out yet.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0817/1528812-israel-media/

This strikes me as an accurate perspective:



The horrifying Oct 7 attack by Hamas seems to have been the start of something monstrous. It appears to have radicalized Israeli society and is in the process of destroying Palestine entirely.

There is no point in dwelling on Hamas or bringing it up in response to everything. Hamas is a misogynistic terrorist group. But Israel is on its way to becoming a pariah state at this rate, if it’s not already there.

I once looked up something called Ynet and it really is this alternate universe..it will rot your brain to read stuff like that.

I was never particularly pro or anti Israel. I rarely have any strong views on things outside the environment and animal rights (and then specifically factory farming, ventilation shutdown etc), topics so neglected in any actual real way by 99% of other humans including the left (the perfunctory-“oh yes we are destroying the planet..now moving on..”aside) that I don’t think my abandoning those issues will help reality in any way.

I can usually see how the neverending left versus right arguments play out. But whether it’s a sense of what is right and wrong or mere self-preservation and sanity, this war is not in Israel’s interests in any sane way. As a neutral party.

Usually what’s compassionate and the decent thing is also what is intelligent for any technologically advanced society. Frivolous fluff plus brutality will destroy your brain.

One of the reasons I especially dislike Utilitarians and Effective Altruists is that they have perverted and misinterpreted something human brains should grasp easily sans external malice.