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Buzz cook

(2,855 posts)
Sat Feb 21, 2026, 03:30 PM 4 hrs ago

Sadly, more dead than we thought

Violent and non-violent death tolls for the Gaza conflict: new primary evidence from a population-representative field survey


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X%2825%2900522-4/fulltext
Background
High-quality mortality estimates are crucial for understanding the human cost of conflict. The Gaza Ministry of Health (MoH) has provided regular updates to their violent death toll for the Gaza Strip following Oct 7, 2023, but these reports have attracted both criticism and support. Independent estimates of both violent and non-violent deaths were needed.

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Results
We completed 2000 household interviews out of 2058 households approached (97·2% household response rate), representing 9729 individuals who were household members on Oct 6, 2023. Item response rates were very high, with 100% completion for core demographic variables (age, gender, and vital status) and 99·8% completion for cause of death (460 of 461 deaths). The sample closely matched the pre-conflict population distribution by Governorate (figure). 1227 (61·4%) respondents were men and 773 (38·6%) were women. 242 (12·1%) respondents were aged 16–24 years, 641 (32·0%) were aged 25–34 years, 504 (25·2%) were aged 35–44 years, 339 (16·9%) were aged 45–54 years, and 274 (13·7%) were 55 years or older. Mean household size was 4·9 people (SD 2·2), slightly below the population figure of 5·5, possibly indicating successful training to exclude non-household relatives.
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Sadly, more dead than we thought (Original Post) Buzz cook 4 hrs ago OP
Even more than the Hamas-run government reported. Frasier Balzov 4 hrs ago #1
American leadership doesn't give a shit about Palestinian people. That is pretty obvious. walkingman 4 hrs ago #2
In 2024 Lancet claimed there were between 134,000 and 186,000 deaths due to the Hamas war Mosby 4 hrs ago #3
War death reports are never accurate. Aussie105 3 hrs ago #4
One practice in Vietnam was The Wizard 3 hrs ago #5

Frasier Balzov

(4,962 posts)
1. Even more than the Hamas-run government reported.
Sat Feb 21, 2026, 03:46 PM
4 hrs ago

This appears to be an independent survey of Gaza residents asking them for their personal knowledge of deaths of relatives.

Many more men than women responded. Is this because women in that culture are raised to believe that it is not their place to respond to surveys?

walkingman

(10,589 posts)
2. American leadership doesn't give a shit about Palestinian people. That is pretty obvious.
Sat Feb 21, 2026, 04:02 PM
4 hrs ago

Now Gaza is a different story.....☮

Mosby

(19,412 posts)
3. In 2024 Lancet claimed there were between 134,000 and 186,000 deaths due to the Hamas war
Sat Feb 21, 2026, 04:12 PM
4 hrs ago

It was bullshit of course, that publication can't be taken seriously.

In 2004 they published some garbage research that claimed there were 654,965 deaths in the Iraq War. They included the "unborn". So that way the number will keep going up basically forever, which is what they want, just like the Hamas war.

Money and bigotry are ruining scientific research, or what's left of it.

Aussie105

(7,754 posts)
4. War death reports are never accurate.
Sat Feb 21, 2026, 04:33 PM
3 hrs ago

But the numbers . . . don't hide behind them to obfuscate the big picture of the ongoing genocide.

The Wizard

(13,651 posts)
5. One practice in Vietnam was
Sat Feb 21, 2026, 04:42 PM
3 hrs ago

to estimate he body count based on the amount of ordinance dropped.

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