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littlemissmartypants

(33,929 posts)
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 07:22 AM 6 hrs ago

BMW, Mercedes and Audi face a new challenger - and it's not Chinese

Monday 13 April 2026 15:39 BST

For car companies, the lure of having a premium brand in the line-up brings not only a huge amount of kudos, but also the prospect of bigger margins – these are cars aimed at well-heeled customers willing to pay more for a posh badge.

So it’s no surprise that many of the world’s biggest car makers have tried – and often failed – to take a slice of this lucrative premium pie.

The world’s largest car company, Toyota, has had its Lexus brand for 36 years, yet it still isn’t quite regarded in the same way as BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Audi. Nissan’s Infiniti continues in some markets, but it withdrew from the UK and Europe at the end of the last decade. Jaguar, meanwhile, has stopped trying to rival the German heavyweights altogether, and is now hell-bent on reinventing itself as a luxury rather than premium brand.

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Last week in Paris, amid plenty of expensive fanfare and a marketing campaign fronted by Daniel Craig (proof that some people will do anything if the cheque is large enough), Chinese giant BYD launched its Denza brand. Its USP is the fastest-charging electric cars in the world, but – as Stellantis’ struggles with DS show – it will be a long road to challenge the established German players.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/cars/electric-vehicles/bmw-mercedes-audi-car-rivals-luxury-evs-b2956678.html

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BMW, Mercedes and Audi face a new challenger - and it's not Chinese (Original Post) littlemissmartypants 6 hrs ago OP
The Lucid is beautiful Delarage 6 hrs ago #1
I love Lucid's cars, but they have 3 (or 4) problems: flvegan 5 hrs ago #2

Delarage

(2,609 posts)
1. The Lucid is beautiful
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 07:45 AM
6 hrs ago

But $95,000 is steep for me. I want a fast-charging decent sedan/SUV that can go at least 300 miles for around $25K. But it sounds like fast-charging systems are developing quickly so hopefully the used market develops.

The real problem is that we have idiots and oil companies in charge (no pun intended) of this country.

Remember back in 2000, we could have taken the lead on this situation---Chrysler and Ford had diesel-hybrids getting 70+ MPG in response to a Clinton--Gore initiative. That all ended with Florida and Trump v. Gore, sadly.

flvegan

(66,336 posts)
2. I love Lucid's cars, but they have 3 (or 4) problems:
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 08:59 AM
5 hrs ago

Reliability is hit or miss. It's allegedly getting better, but I'm not sure it's worth the relationship as of yet.

Service. Not a lot of "studios" or dealerships around. Having a van come out to fix minor problems? Great idea. Need something bigger (see the aforementioned reliability issue) fixed? Good luck.

Initial cost and depreciation. Absolute lunacy. If you want to wait to buy one that's a year or two old, problem solved though.

Included with Lucid is the fact that it's backed by the Saudis. So there's that. Problem #4? That's up to you.

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