They don't care about Israelis, clearly.

Arbel Yehoud looked terrified. The Red Cross made no effort to help her. They didn't want to be bothered.

to surround the hostage with a wall of a dozen or two bodyguards capable of keeping the screaming thugs some distance away from her instead of sending one lady to protect her from hundreds of armed hostile males.

The red cross does not deal in armed security they deal in helping people.
Although I have no idea at all why the Red Cross didnt make this a stipulation on the treaty that they had no part of but go ahead and blame them for helping people.

Or hire some outside professionals. Because this is how things are usually done in threatening circumstances. Even by Red Cross. Saving lives is their fucking job, no stipulations needed.

Surely you are not suggesting that sending one lady of rather unimposing demeanor to escort the hostage with an arm around her for protection was in any way adequate, are you?

And if you watch the video the time she was surrounded by people was when hamas was taking her to the red cross, when the red cross got her they were right next to the vehicles and she was put in immediately. Are you suggesting the Red Cross should have gone and taken her from the armed hamas people?

I haven't heard any reports of Hamas only approving one lady to escort the hostage.

And yes, I am suggesting that the Red Cross should have gone and taken her from Hamas, because this was one of the trms of the cease fire agreement Hamas signed. Which is exactly what the Red Cross eventually did. In a manner that was most humiliating and intimidating to the hostage.

And if you watch the video the time she was surrounded by the bloodthirsty terrorist, you would see the terror on her face to attest to the disgraceful humiliation and intimidation that took place.

Since you know the terms of the cease fire agreement how do you not know the terms of the release? Is that not part of the cease fire agreement?

Beastly Boy (11,574 posts)
10. I don't lnow. And neithr do you.
Reply to Eko (Reply #8)
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 08:27 PM

I haven't heard any reports of Hamas only approving one lady to escort the hostage.

And yes, I am suggesting that the Red Cross should have gone and taken her from Hamas, because this was one of the trms of the cease fire agreement Hamas signed. Which is exactly what the Red Cross eventually did. In a manner that was most humiliating and intimidating to the hostage.

And if you watch the video the time she was surrounded by the bloodthirsty terrorist, you would see the terror on her face to attest to the disgraceful humiliation and intimidation that took place.

to the extent that they need to be protected?

You know what else is not in the agreement? Violent mobs surrounding the hostages are not in the agreement.The whole circus around the exchange, including the role the red cross played in it is not in the agreement. The parading of the hostages before their release is not in the agreement. Dressing them in what looks like military fatigues is not in the agreement. Hell, the Red Cross is not even mentioned in the agreement!

But let's throw some red herrings around to bring up ridiculous questions you know are irrelevant to even what you think I think.

You know full well that the role of the Red Cross is not in the agreement. If you don't, you shouldn't be talking about what you don't know to begin with.

The Red Cross is the intermediary. Hamas doesn't release hostages to Israel directly. It releases hostages to the Red Cross who delivers them to Israel. You did know this, didn't you?

Yet you want me to show you the part of the agreement that you know is not part of the agreement.

Mmm-kay.. can you show me the part of the agreement that shows whether the Red Cross vehicles that transport hostages must be in good enough condition to actually get them to Israel? Anything about the terrorists not being allowed to share those vehicles with the hostages?

This never-ending crap is so tiresome...

They don't make the rules. I cant show you the rules to the hand off because they aren't public. But you can decide who is responsible for that incidence without having a clue of the rules that you yourself said you don't know. Great job!

Has the ICRC transferred hostages?

In 2023, the ICRC helped to facilitate the release of 109 hostages along with 154 Palestinian detainees – mostly taking place during the pause in fighting.

In its role as a neutral intermediary, the ICRC transferred hostages held in Gaza to Israeli authorities and on to their families. They also transferred Palestinian detainees to authorities in the West Bank, to be reunited with their families.

The parties to the conflict agreed to the details of the operation, including who would be released and when. The ICRC was not involved in the negotiations, and its role was to help facilitate the agreement as a neutral intermediary.
https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories/disasters-and-emergencies/world/what-is-the-red-cross-doing-to-help-hostages-in-gaza

better than the armed hamas terrorists?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/30/world/video/eight-hostages-released-gaza-ldn-digvid

No you don't, and if you quit putting your thoughts into my head and just read what I post, it should be obvious to you what I think. And I think exactly what I communicated: Red Cross provided inadequate protection for the hostage during the transfer process.You are full of justifications of why they didn't do so, but no matter how many diversions into what you think I think you can come up with, there is no arguing the facts.

So quit arguing.

Or even what the terms of the handover are. If you dont even know the terms of the handover how can you blame someone for it?

with a sarcasm smilie no less!

Of course, no one ever would suspect that providing safe conditions for hostage exchange is not at all similar to providing security in dangerous situations around the world. So why not throw this against the wall to see if it sticks?

... Can I borrow your sarcasm smilie? I am fresh out.

Beastly Boy (11,574 posts)
13. And again, you think you know what I think better than I do.
Reply to Eko (Reply #9)
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 09:26 PM

No you don't, and if you quit putting your thoughts into my head and just read what I post, it should be obvious to you what I think. And I think exactly what I communicated: Red Cross provided inadequate protection for the hostage during the transfer process.You are full of justifications of why they didn't do so, but no matter how many diversions into what you think I think you can come up with, there is no arguing the facts.

So quit arguing.

STOP!

NOW!


I posted this in GD, which YOU already know. You WILL NOT come into this group and pull this crap!

THIS IS YOUR FIRST LAST and ONLY WARNING!

. . . and intentionally sadistic. After more than a year as hostages subjected to God knows what abuse, to be given that treatment is abhorent.

Hamas has to be utterly and totally destroyed. They are not human.

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