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Related: About this forumFor my 9,999th post: We are stuck in the middle (Posted in the Jewish Alliance Group)
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9,999 is a significant number in Judaism. Each letter in the Hebrew alphabet has numeric significance. the 18th letter is Chai, which means life. So 9999 is Chai doubled.
This is a topic I have been struggling with. At times, I have considered leaving the democratic party, a party I have been totally loyal to since before I could vote - a very long time ago. It was always the party that resonated the most with Jewish values and morality, until recently.
Oh, yes, many of the values are still the same. Yet in its various forms, antisemitism seems to be where the party has been headed. Can I go to a demonstration where the chanting of River to Sea and Globalize the intifada and Death to the IDF are the background chants? No. Not only can I not support that, but it could put me into a life-threatening situation.
It gets worse. Can I vote for a democrat who wants the nation of Israel to be destroyed, either de facto or by neutering its Jewishness? I cannot. Can I vote against a candidate who wholeheartedly supports Israel, even though they are a republican while their democratic opponent supports the other side? I don't know, and I dread that situation.
I could go on, but the video attached says so perfectly what I have been feeling over the last couple of years.
I would love it if we discussed this as I really don't know how to reconcile these insane contradictions we are being forced into as Jews.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DLszHPYigpf/
I hope that this doesn't offend anyone to the point of reporting it to the admins, and then gets deleted.

nycbos
(6,546 posts)Richard D
(10,018 posts)nycbos
(6,546 posts)lostincalifornia
(3,882 posts)both the left and the right. Currently most of that Jewish and Israeli hate in this country is coming from the left.
The outright refusal by some to condemn what happened the day after October 7, with protesters actually justifying it is disgraceful, and this was happening before Israel retaliated.
When some answer the question, "should Israel exist as a Jewish state?", as, "of course Israel exists", but go out of their way to avoid saying as a Jewish state, even though that is how the UN set it up, that should tell you the true intentions of that person.
The excuses, and even the denials and white washing what Hamas did on October 7 was disgraceful, but then again, these same people have been distorting and lying about these things for decades.
This OP encapsulates what Jews have been putting up with for a long time.
littlemissmartypants
(28,449 posts)I wish our world could learn to see in a wide range of colors and possibilities other than just the seriously limited binary range we seem doomed to pursue.
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OilemFirchen
(7,256 posts)Still a rock-solid liberal, but I gave up on the "Maybe Again" TikTok cosplayers more than a decade ago. I will admit to having lost a bit of my sense of humor over that period, but they were always too dim to understand anyway.
Richard D
(10,018 posts)"maybe again"? I'm not familiar with that term.
OilemFirchen
(7,256 posts)"Never Again" is obviously straightforward, but, perhaps, only to a small minority outside the Jewish population. The chants I hear at protests and the commentary I read online (including here) suggest that far too many non-Jews are not invested in the idea. We're a tiny percentage of the population, so our annihilation, though it may promote a tear or two, is not unthinkable.
Do I actually believe that these protest participants would champion Jewish genocide? Of course not. But their rhetoric literally says otherwise. It's not their fault - this is all social media-driven posturing, and it's evident that the vast majority of these yutzes simply don't understand a damned thing. But the neo-Left promoters and organizers of these events know exactly what they're calling for: "Maybe Again".
I'll add, BTW, that there are an ever-increasing number of "Definitely Again" adherents, as evidenced by the acceleration of attacks on Western Jewish institutions, groups, and individuals.
It's a toxic brew that doesn't seem to be subsiding.
LetMyPeopleVote
(166,448 posts)I saw Bibi speak at my Temple back in 1990s and thought that he was an asshole then. Many American Jews are not happy with Bibi and his government but that government is being supported by trump. If Harris had won, the American people could have checked many of the outrages of the Bibi government.
While I disagree with the current Israeli government, I am opposed to the calls to abolish Israel or to globalize the Intifada. I will remain a member of the Democratic Party but will not support candidates or groups attacking Israel
OilemFirchen
(7,256 posts)I don't understand the need for an "I hate Bibi" disclaimer. That should be a given here and unnecessary.
Beastly Boy
(13,043 posts)you find irreconcilable are literally irreconcilable. There is no need to accommodate ideology by compromising identity or vice versa.
Antisemitism is agnostic. It is ideology-neutral. Therefore.it is not a surprise to me that antisemitism found a niche to exploit on the left of the political spectrum. It was just a matter of time, and my only surprise was how long it took and how quickly it became normalized. I suspect the recent explosion of antisemitism on the political left has to do with rapid onset of social media populism, but that's a whole different discussion.
Politically and ideologically, I am an old-time liberal, slightly left of the Democratic Party mainstream, but not in all respects. Existentially, I am a Jew. My sense of self-preservation will always take precedent over my ideology - it is not a question of reconciling the two. Overt, and especially covert antisemitism, due to my past extensive contacts with it, triggers in me a conditioned reflex that trumps all concerns regarding my ideological affiliation. It is a Darwinian response which is separate and apart from my ideological preferences.
Ideology, on the other hand, is an intellectual effort, and that is incompatible with antisemitism. More accurately, ideology is not relevant to antisemitism.
In the end, I don't care whether threats to my well-being come from the right or the left. I am fully aware that antisemites cannot be reached by appealing to their intellect. Therefore, their politics don't matter one bit, no matter how eager they are to claim the contrary. My response to them is to advertise my awareness of the threat they pose to me as vociferously and unequivocally as I possibly can and make those threats as consequential as circumstances allow.
This by no means makes me a bad liberal. On the contrary, it exposes bad actors claiming to be liberals. I understand that doing so on DU runs certain risks, but so does remaining silent.