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ShazzieB

(19,722 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 07:01 AM Feb 10

Several Psychiatric Disorders Share The Same Root Cause, Study Reveals

https://www.sciencealert.com/several-psychiatric-disorders-share-the-same-root-cause-study-reveals

Researchers recently discovered that eight different psychiatric conditions share a common genetic basis. A new study has now honed in on some of those shared genetic variants to understand their properties. They found many are active for longer during brain development and potentially impact multiple stages, suggesting they could be new targets to treat multiple conditions.

"The proteins produced by these genes are also highly connected to other proteins," explains University of North Carolina geneticist Hyejung Won. "Changes to these proteins in particular could ripple through the network, potentially causing widespread effects on the brain."

In 2019 an international team of researchers identified 109 genes that were associated in different combinations with eight different psychiatric disorders, including autism, ADHD, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, major depressive disorder, Tourette syndrome, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and anorexia.

This may explain why so many of these conditions present with similar symptoms or turn up together, like the link between autism and ADHD. Up to 70 percent of people who have one have the other too, and they often both show up in the same families.


Tho article is blowing my mind. There are all kinds of mental illnesses and neurodivergency in my family, incliding schizophrenia, a variety of mood disorders, and ADHD. Knowing that each of these conditions can run in families, I always thought it was weird that my family tree has so many different ones. Finally, someone seems to be connecting those dots, and I feel so seen!
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Several Psychiatric Disorders Share The Same Root Cause, Study Reveals (Original Post) ShazzieB Feb 10 OP
Not surprising. Irish_Dem Feb 10 #1
But what's amazing to me is... ShazzieB Feb 10 #2
We knew bipolar, schizophrenia, alcoholism were inherited illnesses. Irish_Dem Feb 10 #3
This seems like a big advance, big news. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 10 #4
Thanks for finding this article Sanity Claws Feb 10 #5
Part of it may also be overlapping symptomatology JT45242 Feb 10 #6
Fascinating wendyb-NC Feb 10 #7
Anxiety isn't named in the stew, interesting. appalachiablue Feb 10 #8
It's like the outcome is boiled frogs Simeon Salus Feb 10 #11
Thank you, great post! appalachiablue Feb 10 #12
I think anxiety is the result of a lot of these and not necessarily the cause. LiberalArkie Feb 10 #13
Could be, result more than origin or cause. It's all a big, messy stew. TC appalachiablue Feb 10 #15
Autism rokar Feb 10 #9
I hate to label mental illness mzmolly Feb 10 #14
Stigma around any illness or human condition... littlemissmartypants Feb 10 #17
The association is intriguing Random Boomer Feb 10 #19
This is very interesting lonely bird Feb 10 #10
Thank you so much, ShazzieB, for this extremely important information and article. wordstroken Feb 10 #16
Great share! Love you. ... littlemissmartypants Feb 10 #18

Irish_Dem

(65,625 posts)
1. Not surprising.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 07:04 AM
Feb 10

For quite some time, therapists knew some of these illnesses had a familial genetic link.
We saw it all the time.

ShazzieB

(19,722 posts)
2. But what's amazing to me is...
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 07:17 AM
Feb 10

...these researchers are figuring out the mechanism by which all these different disorders can show up in varying combinations in members of the same family. That is something new.

For example, my family tree includes a woman with schizoaffective disorder (schizophrenia combined with a mood disorder) who has a daughter with bipolar disorder and another one with major depressive disorder, but neither daughter is schizophrenic. That never made sense to me until now.

Irish_Dem

(65,625 posts)
3. We knew bipolar, schizophrenia, alcoholism were inherited illnesses.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 07:25 AM
Feb 10

So to make a solid dx we looked at the family history.

Also the mood disorders ran in families as well.
And it looked like the eating disorders were linked to mood disorders.

We did not have genetic proof of it, but we knew it from our work with
these high risk families.

Sanity Claws

(22,133 posts)
5. Thanks for finding this article
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 07:44 AM
Feb 10

Major depressive disorder is one of the linked disorders. I always thought that it was different from other issues but I was so wrong.

JT45242

(3,189 posts)
6. Part of it may also be overlapping symptomatology
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 08:21 AM
Feb 10

If your ADHD is bad enough, it moves into the autism spectrum disorder. ( One son and I have this)

If your OCD focuses on body image, then anorexia is next on the symptomatology.

But the diseases not related to each other. This seems like a good first step attacking the nature side of a bunch of illnesses that have both a nature and nurture aspect.

Simeon Salus

(1,416 posts)
11. It's like the outcome is boiled frogs
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 09:19 AM
Feb 10

Nobody considers measuring the water temperature increases.

Suck it up! Man up! Don't be a weakling! The beatings will continue until morale improves!

LiberalArkie

(17,573 posts)
13. I think anxiety is the result of a lot of these and not necessarily the cause.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 09:24 AM
Feb 10

I have always had anxiety ( I did not know it). Then people at work when I was about 64 or so kind of suggested I might have Aspergers. When, do to my aspie researching, I discovered anxiety. I did not know what it was until then. I think discovered the med a doc gave me for my muscle cramps (Valium) was for anxiety, I was in heaven. I would take one a day before dentist appointment and enough was in my system that I no longer had panic attacks.

Research and science is so wonderful.

rokar

(28 posts)
9. Autism
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 09:01 AM
Feb 10

This study is a great step forward in treating, and maybe preventing, many disorders, including autism. However, saying autism is a psychiatric disorder is wrong and promotes the idea that people with autism are "crazy:. While people with autism may have a co-occurring mental illness, someone with autism is neurodivergent, not mentally ill. I spent the last 11 years of my career directing a program for young adults with autism and a mental health disorder. Those two conditions are separate. My 28 year old son with autism also has an anxiety disorder, as did most of the young people we served, mostly brought about by having to deal with a society that stigmatizes anything that isn't "normal".

mzmolly

(52,008 posts)
14. I hate to label mental illness
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 09:29 AM
Feb 10

as anything but a brain disorder. It appears that if the article is correct, autism is just a different variation of a genetic predisposition to many other conditions.

littlemissmartypants

(26,809 posts)
17. Stigma around any illness or human condition...
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 09:52 AM
Feb 10

Is ignorant and a travesty.

That one can't mention the words "mental" illness without many people cringing or becoming argumentative signals what a huge problem shame associated with perception can be.

We could all benefit from being a little more sensitive about the words we use to describe human conditions that are no fault of the person that they are ascribed to.

We could all also benefit from not being quite so free with our knee jerk reactions that usually reveal not only a lack of compassion but the need for better informed decision making.

Random Boomer

(4,289 posts)
19. The association is intriguing
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 09:57 AM
Feb 10

If you see autism as an inherently useful trait to have in the small communities in which we used to live, that would explain why these clusters have persisted. The genetic traits that confer benefits to the individual are passed along to descendants, and the associated variations just go along for the ride.

For instance, one allele for sickle cell anemia provides protection against malaria; two alleles make you very sick, but only 1 in 4 people get both alleles, so 3 people survive malaria for every 1 person who dies from the condition.

lonely bird

(2,143 posts)
10. This is very interesting
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 09:10 AM
Feb 10

I have had theory for a while…

The human brain and mind have not evolved/developed at the same speed (perhaps they cannot) as our technology. The result is a human society particularly in this country that is toxic to mental health. The genetics which the OP discusses impacts this in that the methods of pairing off in this toxic environment strengthen the potential for shifts in the brain towards the psychiatric conditions. To lessen the impact of the toxic environment I think is important is helping mitigate the conditions.

wordstroken

(821 posts)
16. Thank you so much, ShazzieB, for this extremely important information and article.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 09:35 AM
Feb 10

Much appreciated.

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