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NNadir

(36,804 posts)
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 02:56 PM Yesterday

If you had a healthy dollop of disposable income, would you pay 500 hundred bucks for this book?

Signed First Edition: Old Wine New Flasks; Reflections on Science and Jewish Tradition

xii, 362, [10] pages. Heavily illustrated, including 10 color plates. Some Hebrew and Yiddish but this is an English language work. Inscribed by the author (Roald Hoffmann) on the front free endpaper. Inscription reads: For Maxine and family with friendship, Roald, in Ithaca, 1997. Includes a post care with a photograph of Cordoba and a hand written note which states: Dear Maxine, You don't have to be religious, etc. to enjoy this book. See a good photo of me in Plate 6. with affection Roald 8/28/97. Includes Preface, Epilogue, and How We Came to Old Wine, New Flasks, With a Little Help From Our Friends. Also includes Notes, Credits, Glossary of Hebrew and Yiddish, and Index, as well as chapters on Is Nature Natural; A Sukkah from an Elephant; You Must Not Deviate to the Right or the Left; Bitter Waters Run Sweet; The Flag That Came out of the Blue: A Play in Three Acts and Two Intermezzi; Signs and Portents: No Parking in the Courtroom; Pure/Impure; and Camel Caravans in the Pentagon. Roald Hoffmann (born Roald Safran; July 18, 1937) is a Polish-American theoretical chemist who won the 1981 Nobel Prize in Chemistry. He has also published plays and poetry. He is the Frank H. T. Rhodes Professor of Humane Letters, Emeritus, at Cornell University, in Ithaca, New York...


I would, not that I have such disposable income, but if I did, I would. Suffering from addictive bibliophilia is probably better than being a heroin addict, but both are expensive and one is only marginally better as addictions go, than the other.

For the record, I have never been Jewish, and like Raold Hoffmann, I'm an atheist, as I noted elsewhere last night.

It would be interesting to understand the cultural milieu that accounts for the over representation of people of Jewish origins among the world's greatest scientists.
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yourout

(8,626 posts)
1. No but I'd certainly pay 500 bucks to see a complete unredacted version of all the FBI Epstein files
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 02:57 PM
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ZDU

(826 posts)
3. hmmmm..... $500
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 03:17 PM
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... would certainly tempt me to indulge in garden, landscape, rose, and books devoted to flora

... although i'd love to have a look at Old Wine, New Flasks

NNadir

(36,804 posts)
5. There are cheaper copies, way cheaper; this one is a first edition for seriously ill bibliophiles.
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 03:27 PM
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I could easily become a seriously ill bibliophile, but fortunately I can't afford it and my wife, bless her practical way of being, would prevent me from being as nutty as I could be.

erronis

(21,715 posts)
4. Some of our wants/desires are best left in places that can be shared by many.
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 03:26 PM
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Libraries, museums, places of learning.

I covet many things and have lost most of my belongings several times. The urge to possess is strong and the fear of losing possessions keeps many people awake at night. Now, being mainly "baggage" free, these don't grip me anymore. In the end, we will all lose everything we have. And others will pick up in our absence.

GreatGazoo

(4,232 posts)
6. From the description there
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 03:48 PM
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The authors contend, in structured harmony (and not taking themselves too seriously), with a shared respect for the underlying unity of all knowledge. Such contention is actually a time-honored way of Jewish debate. And, in another way, such debate is at the heart of science.


This idea fits with theories of others who note that Jewish traditions are highly literate, verbal, musical and multilingual.

This is in contrast to Catholics who were often forbidden to pursue higher learning. From 1560 to 1966 the Vatican maintained Index Librorum Prohibitorum -- a list of books which Catholics were forbidden to read. They were also forbidden to read that list. Until the Quiet Revolution of 1960, everyone in Quebec was forbidden to pursue higher learning because Quebec was run by the Catholic church and only the Bible translated into Old French was used as text (which is why Quebecois French is different from modern French).

Famously Galileo was punished for embracing heliocentrism. There was a parallel in Judaism but note the difference that debate was allowed:

An actual controversy on the Copernican model within Judaism arises only in the early 18th century. Most authors in this period had accepted Copernican heliocentrism, with opposition from David Nieto and Tobias Cohn, who argued against heliocentrism on the grounds it contradicted scripture. Nieto merely rejected the new system on those grounds without much passion, whereas Cohn went so far as to call Copernicus "a first-born of Satan", though he also acknowledged that he would have found it difficult to proffer one particular objection based on a passage from the Talmud.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism#Reception_in_Judaism

An understanding of the solar system was fundamental to global navigation, as was trigonometry. Jewish interaction with Arabic scholars is often cited as how southern europe, eg Spain, was able to advance in navigation. Most recently we now have genetic confirmation that Colombus was of Jewish descent. It has long been known that he wrote in Ladino, a Judeo-Spanish language used by Sephardic Jews. I accept the theories that he was a converso or crypto Jew. His first voyage to the Bahamas and Haiti was financed and diplomatically supported by Luis de Santángel, the comptroller-general for the Aragonese crown under King Ferdinand. Santángel was the grandson of a converted Jew and, as a converted Jew serving the court, he and his family were exempt from the scrutiny of the Holy Office of the Inquisition. It is no accident that the voyages of Colombus come near the end of the inquisition or that his navigations lead to the establishment of communities in Brazil by Jews forcibly exiled from Spain.

There is a long history of Jewish scientists who were valued by monarchs despite more generally oppressive policies toward people of Jewish descent.

SWBTATTReg

(25,805 posts)
9. Being a serious book collection in the Art of Walt Disney and all of its artwork, there are a few books related to the
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 07:41 PM
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world of Disney and all of its collectibles of all manners, that are priced at least $500 give or take, some more, some less. As a serious disney collector, I have paid up to $500 give or take for some Disney collectibles, in the books/comics/periodicals field.

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