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highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:21 PM May 2016

It's not about Bernie!

Last edited Wed May 18, 2016, 05:20 PM - Edit history (1)

It's really not.

I know that Hillary supporters may find that hard to believe. Perhaps that's because her candidacy can tend to be so much about identity politics.

But it's seriously not about Bernie. I initially wanted Elizabeth Warren, as many of us did.

It's just that Bernie, once he reluctantly announced, became the leader of a movement. He became the expression of ideas whose time have come, in fact they are well overdue. And that's the reason for his success, even if he doesn't outright win against these formidable odds.

The meaning is in the movement. Would you really care to explain to us what is wrong with the ideas and policies behind the movement he has been leading? If they are so wrong, why have they been borrowed from so heavily by Hillary.

In the end, neither I nor many other Bernie supporters care that Bernie is the one to lead the charge. Even he largely throws the power back onto us, the People.

What we care about is that Progressive/Populist/Liberal/Traditionally Democratic/New Deal style policies are defended and fought for staunchly.

You don't like his "details", or think they are too lofty? I'm not voting for him because he's a policy wonk, nor is that what I want or need in a President. I want a leader with the vision I support. But if that's what you gotta have, I would suggest that the policies on Hillary's website are no more pragmatic and detailed than his, but have at it. Just work with us to make sure she realizes and the party realizes that they can't just veer from those programs in the future, during the general, and expect us to remain happy.

Here's another thing it all is about. THE REAGAN REVOLUTION IS OVER!!!! (notice, by the way, he got to call it a revolution)

DLC and triangulation and so forth came about in response to Reagan, and the Reagan Revolution is over, dead. How do I know? Several large historical events prove this to me.
1. The success of Obama's Progressive-leaning first campaign.
2. The relative strength and impact of the very radical Occupy Wall Street.
3. The surprising success of Bernie's campaign, including raising the money and the consciousness he has.
4. The last straw is the nomination of Donald Trump, who very clearly is not a Reagan Republican.

All these things point to a crucial crossroads in history - where the Democratic Party can reclaim majorities in both houses (yes, even despite the mathematical jerrymandering that still has Democrats shaking in their boots). We can win the White House. We can do great things. We can even unify the warring Democratic factions. But to do it we have to quit taking steps backwards into the 90's (not as great in retrospect as the dot.com bubble made them appear to be) and take steps forward, together, into a Progressive future.

The best thing Hillary supporters can do is to work on building bridges to the Bernie community and to the Bernie ideas they truly love. Of course, if they don't find any, then we really do have a structural problem, and you guys are nowhere near the Progressives you claim to be.

But it's not about Bernie. It's about the Democratic Party coming together around a candidate and creating a NEW NEW DEAL and potentially having majorities in both Houses for decades, just as happened around FDR. It's what the American people want. If you don't label what you ask them, they overwhelmingly support Liberal ideas and policies.

Let's ride that horse right through those Republican enemy lines!!!

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It's not about Bernie! (Original Post) highprincipleswork May 2016 OP
agree. nt lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #1
Thank you. I believe that if the Democrats who want to win can make this fundamental transition in highprincipleswork May 2016 #2
all those bernie fan new-age millenials and independents couldnt be bothered to register and vote n msongs May 2016 #6
Cynicism kills. But chow down on that, if you prefer. highprincipleswork May 2016 #9
You make a really encouraging point about the death of the Reagan Revolution. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Colors May 2016 #3
That's fine. I understand how you feel. I'm reserving my right to do whatever I want, depending on highprincipleswork May 2016 #4
Hoo ha! Mike__M May 2016 #5
Well, I do live in California, and the American world is especially cynical (for some good reason), highprincipleswork May 2016 #7
Well said! Paka May 2016 #8
It's not about Bernie Lordquinton May 2016 #10
I know. I hope we can seize the opportunity that is there for us to be the unified Progressive highprincipleswork May 2016 #11
I think it has something to do with how it reflects on themselves. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #12
It's very revealing Lordquinton May 2016 #16
K&R... disillusioned73 May 2016 #14
Good post and I agree 100 percent Armstead May 2016 #15
Fantastic post! Bernie gives the movement a very credible voice in Ed Suspicious May 2016 #17
Yes it is, he wont be around to garner his "collective energy" for the off year elections uponit7771 May 2016 #18
They know. They know. nt silvershadow May 2016 #19
K&R. JDPriestly May 2016 #20
Correct. The genie is not going back in the bottle. Scuba May 2016 #21
 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
2. Thank you. I believe that if the Democrats who want to win can make this fundamental transition in
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:54 PM
May 2016

their thinking, to see the dawning of a new age this really represents, we could really make some progress for a change.

msongs

(72,647 posts)
6. all those bernie fan new-age millenials and independents couldnt be bothered to register and vote n
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:07 PM
May 2016
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
13. You make a really encouraging point about the death of the Reagan Revolution.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

And the slowness of the Clinton machine to step out of that paradigm.

The entire positioning of the Clinton agenda is based on being 1 inch to the left of Reagan.

Response to highprincipleswork (Original post)

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
4. That's fine. I understand how you feel. I'm reserving my right to do whatever I want, depending on
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:02 PM
May 2016

how Hillary and the Dem Party act, if and when she gets the nomination.

It's not over yet, and plenty can still happen.

I'm just pointing out the way to win in November. The Clintons are nothing if not strategic and ambitious. This is not the historical time to go on doing 90's bullshit.

They could easily adapt, the party could follow suit, and we'd all be the better and happier for it.

I'm not saying there is more than 1 cold chance in Hell that this will happen. But it could happen. And it should happen. And if it doesn't, then you and perhaps I and perhaps many others who have even been loyal decades for decades could actually wish for their mistaken experiment in regressive politics to fail.

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
5. Hoo ha!
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:04 PM
May 2016

Absolutely. We've started swinging back from Reaganism and its time to revolve it all the way.

However, saying things like "human spirit trumps numbers," however true, will get you ridiculed as listening to the podium bird or some such retort.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
7. Well, I do live in California, and the American world is especially cynical (for some good reason),
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:08 PM
May 2016

but nonetheless it is true.

Any underdog who has won and even won big will tell you as much.

But the groovy thing here, as you have shared with me, is that we don't even have to try that hard!!!! The Democratic Party can come out from under the Reagan shadow and really let it rip. If they would only see that and believe in the numbers who turn out for this sort of thing.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
10. It's not about Bernie
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016

Which makes me scared of the sheer hatred I hear from some Clinton supporters. Checking some transparency pages, you'd think they were talking about the worst Republicans, but they are talking about someone slightly left of center, and one of two remaining Democratic candidates.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
11. I know. I hope we can seize the opportunity that is there for us to be the unified Progressive
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:16 PM
May 2016

Party that is really due for a victory, according to the tea leaves.

I am afraid that the Party Leaders are too busy planning a 90''s style promfest at the convention that they are failing to see the signs that the country is ripe and ready for a real Progressive change.

Please, Party Elders, see the writing on the wall, and at least act to ensure your continued times in office.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
12. I think it has something to do with how it reflects on themselves.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:39 PM
May 2016

If all of your life, you've supported progressive causes and values and now you find yourself aligned with people openly contemptuous of those progressive values, your self image depends on rationalizing that contempt as something else.

"People hate in others that which they hate most about themselves"

Thus: Clinton supporters attack Sanders supporters about the Sanders cult of personality. They then offer cautionary advice about Sanders loss of personal privilege, or speculation about offering him a VP slot. Everything they say brings into bas relief their ignorance of what this is NOT about; Sanders.

Anyone believably saying what Sanders is saying would get this support.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
16. It's very revealing
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

The convention and selection of a nominee won't magically erase everything they've done and said. Remember when Rham was put in charge and he called us "F*cking r*tards"? That is the same mentality that is in play, at least at the top, and it trickles down and show through. Where do we go from here?

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
17. Fantastic post! Bernie gives the movement a very credible voice in
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:41 PM
May 2016

that he is relatively clean and honest. No matter what happens he has my undying admiration for focusing on my issues and staying focused there.

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