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LetMyPeopleVote

(168,338 posts)
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 10:17 AM Aug 13

Lawrence: Trump predicts a '1929-style result' if Trump returns the tariff money he illegally took

Lawrence had fun with the letter from trump's counsel that predicted that US would become bankrupted if the government had to refund the illegally tariffs

@lawrenceodonnell.msnbc.com: Trump predicts a ‘1929-style result’ if Trump returns the tariff money he illegally took youtu.be/plopoB2SUac?...

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell (@lastword.msnbc.com) 2025-08-13T12:07:32.825Z

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Lawrence: Trump predicts a '1929-style result' if Trump returns the tariff money he illegally took (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Aug 13 OP
Here is the letter that Lawrence was referring to last night LetMyPeopleVote Aug 13 #1
They should replace "the President believes" with... Justice matters. Aug 13 #3
So... he's already spent it C_U_L8R Aug 13 #2
'Wow': WSJ editors knife Trump administration's 'out-of-this-world' legal argument LetMyPeopleVote Aug 13 #4
This Lawrence O'Donnell video from MSNBC was posted last night after it aired: Rhiannon12866 Aug 13 #5
As if Trump's actions couldn't get any more embarrassing LetMyPeopleVote Monday #6

LetMyPeopleVote

(168,338 posts)
1. Here is the letter that Lawrence was referring to last night
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 10:18 AM
Aug 13

Yesterday, trump's counsel sent a letter to the court claiming that the United States would become bankrupt and the world would end if trump's tariffs were not affirmed. When trump filed an appeal, the US government promised to refund all tariffs https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220354298 Now trump is claiming that the US government would be bankrupted if these tariffs are refunded.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220354298

Justice matters.

(8,784 posts)
3. They should replace "the President believes" with...
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 10:50 AM
Aug 13

Last edited Wed Aug 13, 2025, 11:30 AM - Edit history (1)

"the convicted pedo-felonious conman beLIEveS"

C_U_L8R

(47,900 posts)
2. So... he's already spent it
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 10:24 AM
Aug 13

Probably disappeared in many offshore accounts... just like the Russian oligarchs taught him

LetMyPeopleVote

(168,338 posts)
4. 'Wow': WSJ editors knife Trump administration's 'out-of-this-world' legal argument
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 01:02 PM
Aug 13

trump's attorneys are claiming that the US is not able to repay the tariffs already collected and that holding trump's tariffs invalid will hurt the country, When trump's DOJ appealed the first ruling, the trump DOJ promised to refund the tariffs if these tariffs were held to be unconstitutional https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220354298

This letter is so sad that the WSJ had fun

'Wow': WSJ editors knife Trump administration's 'out-of-this-world' legal argument

www.rawstory.com/trump-doj-26...

Yes, it was an out of this world legal argument, or better put, no legal argument at all.

The document was posted on BlueSky this morning. It's under my timeline if interested.

Jacki (@ftd1969.bsky.social) 2025-08-13T15:44:02.714Z

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-doj-2673879888/

The Wall Street Journal's conservative editorial board rebuked arguments that the Trump administration's lawyers made in court about his tariff policy in a new op-ed on Tuesday......

On Friday, Trump warned on Truth Social that if judges rule against his tariff policy, then a "1929-style" depression would occur in the U.S. The warning shocked the WSJ's editorial board.

"Wow. Ending a tax increase means depression. Who knew?" the editorial board wrote.

The board was also shocked to see Trump's lawyers repeat Trump's logic in court.

"That’s the out-of-this-world argument that Solicitor General John Sauer and Assistant Attorney General Brett Shumate made this week in a letter to the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit," the editorial reads in part. "The judges must give the President unilateral power to impose tariffs on any country at any time, or the end is nigh."

Rhiannon12866

(241,141 posts)
5. This Lawrence O'Donnell video from MSNBC was posted last night after it aired:
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 09:49 PM
Aug 13

Thanks!

Lawrence: Trump predicts a '1929-style result' if Trump returns the tariff money he illegally took - The Last Word MSNBC
https://democraticunderground.com/132154315

LetMyPeopleVote

(168,338 posts)
6. As if Trump's actions couldn't get any more embarrassing
Mon Aug 18, 2025, 06:36 PM
Monday

This letter is so bad that it is funny. The idiot attorney who sent this letter deserves to be mocked and laughed at.

As if Trump’s actions couldn’t get any more embarrassing https://www.dailykos.com/story/2025/8/12/2337983/-As-if-Trump-s-actions-couldn-t-get-any-more-embarrassing?pm_campaign=blog&pm_medium=rss&pm_source=

Fighting Liberal Texas Dem🌈🌊💙🦋Congress Switchboard 202-224-3121 (@fightingliberal.bsky.social) 2025-08-13T02:22:18.504217Z

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/8/12/2337983/-As-if-Trump-s-actions-couldn-t-get-any-more-embarrassing

It’s a hallmark of Donald Trump’s presidency: Everyone around him must kiss his ass—publicly, lavishly, and without the slightest hint of embarrassment. The more obsequious the praise, the happier he is.....

In a letter urging the Supreme Court to uphold Trump’s supposed right to impose tariffs—even though the Constitution gives that power to Congress—Sauer outdoes himself in presidential flattery.

On July 27, after stating his intention to impose IEEPA tariffs, President Trump announced the largest trade agreement in history with the 27-nation European Union, America’s most significant trading partner.

That’s wrong on several counts. The EU is the United States’ second-largest trading partner, behind Canada. And there is no “largest trade agreement in history.” What Trump announced was a framework, not a binding treaty. These agreements take years to finalize, often require congressional approval, and must be ratified by EU members. None of that has happened......

Sauer’s letter goes on:

Suddenly revoking the President’s tariff authority under IEEPA would have catastrophic consequences for our national security, foreign policy, and economy. The President believes that our country would not be able to pay back the trillions of dollars that other countries have already committed to pay, which could lead to financial ruin.

If Trump’s actions are illegal, downstream consequences are irrelevant. If he believes having this power is vital, Congress can give it to him. What “the president believes” is not legal authority, precedent, or statute. Trump believes many things that are simply wrong. And, no, other countries have not “committed to pay trillions” to the United States. At best, they’ve made vague investment pledges that rarely materialize.......

Finally, Sauer warns:

If the United States were forced to unwind these historic agreements, the President believes that a forced dissolution of the agreements could lead to a 1929-style result. In such a scenario, people would be forced from their homes, millions of jobs would be eliminated, hard-working Americans would lose their savings, and even Social Security and Medicare could be threatened. In short, the economic consequences would be ruinous, instead of unprecedented success.

Social Security and Medicare are more threatened by GOP hostility than by losing Trump’s tariffs. They were fine before his trade war, and he has never claimed tariffs were critical to their survival. If unwinding these agreements happens, it will be because Trump broke the law.
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