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Related: About this forumTrump & Kristi Noem Claim Antifa is as Bad as Hamas, Democrats Stand Their Ground - Lovett or Leave It
What a week! On Lovett or Leave it, Jon gets into Donald Trump's weird cabinet meeting with Kristi Noem and RFK Jr. saying insane things, ICE violence, the Government shutdown and the Democrats standing up to Trump.
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Trump & Kristi Noem Claim Antifa is as Bad as Hamas, Democrats Stand Their Ground - Lovett or Leave It (Original Post)
TexasTowelie
Saturday
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Would they please list the numbers of kidnappings and murders committed by Antifa.
surfered
Saturday
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The three biggest flaws in Trump designating antifa a 'domestic terrorist organization'
LetMyPeopleVote
Saturday
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surfered
(9,734 posts)1. Would they please list the numbers of kidnappings and murders committed by Antifa.
And is this the Antifa of which they speak?
vapor2
(3,234 posts)2. Someone needs to ask these snakes to define ANTIFA
Klarkashton
(4,311 posts)3. Noem shot a dog.
LetMyPeopleVote
(171,158 posts)4. There is NO organization called Antifa

some_of_us_are_sane
(2,255 posts)6. Thank you, LetMyPeopleVote!
Thanks for posting that.
EverHopeful
(601 posts)5. Should someone point out to them
that if those who oppose fascism are your enemies, you are admitting that you are fascists?
some_of_us_are_sane
(2,255 posts)7. Yep, they are
...............but too dumb to realize it.
LetMyPeopleVote
(171,158 posts)8. The three biggest flaws in Trump designating antifa a 'domestic terrorist organization'
Its tempting to laugh at a misguided president going after a nonexistent organization, but just because its absurd doesnt mean it not dangerous.
The three biggest flaws in Trump designating antifa a âdomestic terrorist organizationâ
— Dr. Irving Forbush (@drivingforbush.bsky.social) 2025-09-24T23:38:13.475Z
www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/three-biggest-flaws-trump-designating-antifa-domestic-terrorist-organi-rcna233512
The Republican announced soon after that hed follow through on this, and this week, he did, in fact, sign an executive order along these lines. NBC News reported:
The first serious flaw with this is that the designation doesnt make a lot of sense: An administration cant target a domestic terrorist organization if there is no actual organization. Antifa, to the extent that it exists, is made up of loosely affiliated anti-fascist activists. There is no budget. There is no membership list. There are no offices or headquarters. There are no staffers, leaders or board members.
At some level, Trump really ought to understand this: He announced more than five years ago that he was designating antifa as a terrorist organization, and the effort was a counterproductive bust.
The second problem is that the president is trying to use a power he does not have. As The Washington Post noted, The United States has no legal mechanism for labeling domestic organizations as terrorist groups. Administrations can label nonstate adversaries overseas as foreign terrorist organizations, but there is no domestic equivalent in U.S. law......
Arguably the biggest problem with Trumps declaration is that its vague: Its not at all clear how the White House intends to go after antifa, or who'll even meet the standards for affiliation.
As we discussed last week, if the White House says that antifa members are terrorists and the White House says it will decide on its own who and what qualifies as antifa affiliates this can get scary in a hurry as the administration eyes fishing expeditions into progressive donors and activists under the guise of anti-antifa investigations.
Indeed, NOTUS reported this week that the White Houses designation is causing some groups to worry that theyll be targeted because they publicly condemn fascism.
Trump signed an executive order [on Monday] designating antifa, a decentralized set of extreme left-wing groups, as a domestic terrorist organization. ... A White House official said the executive order is a follow-up to a social media post last week in which Trump said antifa would be designated a terrorist organization. The official added that conversations are still happening about what steps, if any, may be taken to review the activities of organizations the administration considers left-wing.
The first serious flaw with this is that the designation doesnt make a lot of sense: An administration cant target a domestic terrorist organization if there is no actual organization. Antifa, to the extent that it exists, is made up of loosely affiliated anti-fascist activists. There is no budget. There is no membership list. There are no offices or headquarters. There are no staffers, leaders or board members.
At some level, Trump really ought to understand this: He announced more than five years ago that he was designating antifa as a terrorist organization, and the effort was a counterproductive bust.
The second problem is that the president is trying to use a power he does not have. As The Washington Post noted, The United States has no legal mechanism for labeling domestic organizations as terrorist groups. Administrations can label nonstate adversaries overseas as foreign terrorist organizations, but there is no domestic equivalent in U.S. law......
Arguably the biggest problem with Trumps declaration is that its vague: Its not at all clear how the White House intends to go after antifa, or who'll even meet the standards for affiliation.
As we discussed last week, if the White House says that antifa members are terrorists and the White House says it will decide on its own who and what qualifies as antifa affiliates this can get scary in a hurry as the administration eyes fishing expeditions into progressive donors and activists under the guise of anti-antifa investigations.
Indeed, NOTUS reported this week that the White Houses designation is causing some groups to worry that theyll be targeted because they publicly condemn fascism.