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CTyankee

(66,943 posts)
Tue May 13, 2025, 12:35 PM May 2025

Can our country ever elect a woman POTUS?

If so, what about a Whitmer/Murphy ticket?

If not, what about a Murphy/Whitmer ticket?

Chris Murphy is my Senator. He's great (and he didn't go to Yale!).

Gov. Whitmer is more than capable for the highest office in the land. But at this point, I despair that we can't seem to elect qualified women POTUS.

I don't see Trump even getting near to claiming he can run again. And even if the GOP ran him anyway, by that time he will have screwed this country so badly that only the craziest of the crazies will vote for him. That is, unless he dies from something brought on by his abysmal diet, dementia, or advanced STDs going untreated.

At any rate, that's my thought for today.!

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Can our country ever elect a woman POTUS? (Original Post) CTyankee May 2025 OP
Only if we flush Fox down the toilet! Initech May 2025 #1
we absolutely can (and WILL, at some point) stopdiggin May 2025 #2
Seems to me like this is the consensus. Janbdwl72 May 2025 #3
I believe we just did... returnee May 2025 #4
Why are Democrats still polling behind the worst president in history? Isn't it possible we are failing in messaging Doodley May 2025 #6
One of the the reasons I think it was stolen... returnee May 2025 #11
So do I ailsagirl May 2025 #15
Yes. Doodley May 2025 #5
I think the US can eventually elect a female POTUS. Laffy Kat May 2025 #7
Yeah, same here. calimary May 2025 #14
I'm in New Jersey and I'm uncertain that WE can elect a female GOVERNOR. no_hypocrisy May 2025 #8
The only way America will ever elect a woman president... ultralite001 May 2025 #9
this shows registrations not who actually showed up ... I always think that is the bigger issue no shows JT45242 Aug 20 #31
Not any time soon PJMcK May 2025 #10
In a sense, we did. subterranean May 2025 #12
Two possibilities: usonian May 2025 #13
I was thinking about this yesterday pinkstarburst May 2025 #16
well, misogyny anyway - Barack Obama was elected twice - TBF May 2025 #18
Probably, unfortunately no Canada Kid May 2025 #17
We have already been ready to elect a woman. CBHagman May 2025 #19
It sure would help if the Dems had a little marketing moxie. Gum Logger May 2025 #20
We already did, by popular vote somsai Aug 3 #21
YES... ultralite001 Aug 4 #22
Yes. Hillary would have won in 2008 without any doubt. speak easy Aug 4 #23
For Democratic women to be elected president, Gum Logger Aug 19 #24
OR by succeeding to the Presidency as VP when a male POTUS dies, becomes incapacitated or resigns. CTyankee Aug 20 #25
Nope JustAnotherGen Aug 20 #26
"women can't be Presidents," a religiously insane Lutheran told me a few months ago. CTyankee Aug 20 #28
I'm just sick of this country JustAnotherGen Aug 20 #33
A Republican woman may be the first woman President andym Aug 20 #27
Not with this republican party. Maybe things will change tho. CTyankee Aug 20 #29
Definitely not in the foreseeable future calguy Aug 20 #30
Four of my five grandchildren are old enough to vote and I'm looking to their generation to get us back on the right CTyankee Aug 20 #32
Who should the candidate be? SandyDoc Aug 20 #34
Pick one. The field is pretty open just now. I'd like to know your suggestion! CTyankee Aug 20 #36
No. Misogyny is far too ingrained in our society Bettie Aug 20 #35
What? And risk catching up with Mexico? Paladin Aug 20 #37
Qualified? somsai Aug 20 #38
After reading your post it makes me kinda sick that we have women who met every qualification you can list and STILL CTyankee Aug 20 #39
Because JustAnotherGen Aug 20 #40

Initech

(106,152 posts)
1. Only if we flush Fox down the toilet!
Tue May 13, 2025, 12:45 PM
May 2025

Nearly all the problems we've faced in the last 25 years have been the direct result of them turning the government into a reality clown shit show.

stopdiggin

(14,318 posts)
2. we absolutely can (and WILL, at some point)
Tue May 13, 2025, 12:46 PM
May 2025

And, at the same time - I am also hearing a lot of 'white male' as far as 28 ...
Now whether that is correct or not .. ? Or if even a proper reading of the room .. ? I don't profess ...

Janbdwl72

(220 posts)
3. Seems to me like this is the consensus.
Tue May 13, 2025, 12:54 PM
May 2025

Obviously, we want to see a Democrat return to the Presidency---for the nation's sake, primarily!

Given the political circumstances, the electoral college's alignment works against Democrats. Realistically, it won't be changed anytime soon, as much as we would like to see that happen!

I just think that right now, looking at independent voters and Hispanics, it doesn't seem like those two important voting blocs appear ready to elect any woman President.

Any Democrat who is serious about winning in 2028 must perform better with those two groups and the overall voter turnout must be larger.

If anyone sees a way that is magically going to change by 2028, please share your insights with us.

Doodley

(11,271 posts)
6. Why are Democrats still polling behind the worst president in history? Isn't it possible we are failing in messaging
Tue May 13, 2025, 01:04 PM
May 2025

now, and therefore, did so for the election?

returnee

(628 posts)
11. One of the the reasons I think it was stolen...
Tue May 13, 2025, 01:25 PM
May 2025

…is because the down ballot races were inconsistent with the top ballot race. Also, polling, meh. So fungible. One thing the Dems did wrong was to not ask for recounts-afraid of looking like sore losers, like TSF.

Laffy Kat

(16,762 posts)
7. I think the US can eventually elect a female POTUS.
Tue May 13, 2025, 01:05 PM
May 2025

But I've given up it happening in my lifetime. I was born in '57.

calimary

(87,593 posts)
14. Yeah, same here.
Tue May 13, 2025, 04:22 PM
May 2025

I’ve given up on any hope of seeing it on my lifetime, and I’m just a few years older than you. I’m wondering if our daughter - or our granddaughters - will live to see it. And frankly, I’m doubtful. At least at the moment.

no_hypocrisy

(52,868 posts)
8. I'm in New Jersey and I'm uncertain that WE can elect a female GOVERNOR.
Tue May 13, 2025, 01:09 PM
May 2025

Barbara Buono tried against Chris Christie. While she was the better candidate, she didn't win. We now have Mikie Sherrill. Stellar work in Congress. I wish, but I don't expect.

Go to Kentucky. Amy McGrath tried to oust Mitch McConnell. Her credentials were impeccable. She didn't win.

Until you can get more than 50% of registered voters to vote, elections will be like Nielsen ratings.

ultralite001

(2,022 posts)
9. The only way America will ever elect a woman president...
Tue May 13, 2025, 01:12 PM
May 2025

is when every -- absolutely every -- eligible woman voter in this country

VOTES...

for the female presidential candidate...

So, if you want Madam President to be a Democrat... May she be a great candidate w/ appeal to all sides...

JT45242

(3,587 posts)
31. this shows registrations not who actually showed up ... I always think that is the bigger issue no shows
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 12:16 PM
Aug 20

How many people did not vote -- or left President blank because, um uppity black woman or uppity shrill white woman.

Registration is a step -- but a useless one if they do not actually vote.

PJMcK

(24,161 posts)
10. Not any time soon
Tue May 13, 2025, 01:22 PM
May 2025

We’ve had two brilliantly talented and prepared candidates yet they lost.

America isn’t ready.

subterranean

(3,673 posts)
12. In a sense, we did.
Tue May 13, 2025, 01:30 PM
May 2025

The first woman to run as a major party candidate won the popular vote for President. Unfortunately, those votes were not optimally distributed in terms of the Electoral College.

usonian

(19,999 posts)
13. Two possibilities:
Tue May 13, 2025, 02:47 PM
May 2025

1. The US loses a war with Mexico.
Don't discount this. U.S. cyber defense and military have been savaged by incompetent fools, ON PURPOSE.
Mexico could jump in "The Mouse That Roared" and take over. Scenarios:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220295160

2. Joe Biden blew the opportunity. I sure as hell would have done it.
He could have resigned a week early and made Kamala the 47th president, not for spite, but for precedent. (pun unintended)
I also would have done a lot of things with my unlimited power, but that's neither here nor there.
Let's just say that Alcatraz would be overflowing today. And a few other things ......

pinkstarburst

(1,802 posts)
16. I was thinking about this yesterday
Thu May 15, 2025, 12:56 PM
May 2025

While seeing all the wonderful positive energy for Pete Buttigieg (who I think is amazing) which is flooding social media right now. I think there is definitely the racism/misogyny factor to overcome. Another thing though is that we have a habit of switching parties in the White House every 4 or 8 years. It is unusual in recent history that two Republicans get elected back to back, or two Democrats get elected back to back. It seems like those who are unhappy with their situation either stay home out of frustration or vote against whoever is in at the time, blaming them for their troubles or believing the other party can do better, and it swings the other way.

So I kind of wonder if part of what cost Hillary the election in 2016 and Kamala the election in 2024 is that voters were frustrated and brought that frustration to the ballot box and even if Joe had run again, or Gavin Newsom, or Tim Walz, he would have lost.

I think 2028 is going to be another change year, and that's why I'm not getting on this bus of "we have to let the Republicans pick our candidate. Only straight white Christian men from here one out." I want a candidate I am excited about. I am not prepared to eliminate 80% of the candidates right out of the gate just because that's who republican leaning voters might prefer. I think we need the person who inspires us, and who gets voters to turn out, and telling voters, you can only choose from 20% of the potential candidates is the way to do that. If our best candidate is a woman, let's run her. If it's a gay man, or a Jewish man, or a Hispanic man, let's get behind them.

TBF

(35,182 posts)
18. well, misogyny anyway - Barack Obama was elected twice -
Thu May 15, 2025, 02:26 PM
May 2025

men in this country really have a problem with women, and I'm not sure how to surmount that (besides getting rid of the electoral college)

 

Canada Kid

(257 posts)
17. Probably, unfortunately no
Thu May 15, 2025, 01:57 PM
May 2025

The Democrats of this country blew it by not voting in Kamala Harris, A-because she's black...B- because she's a woman. We say the Republicans think like that...but unfortunately...there are thousands of Democrats who do so as well. Until that shift of opinion changes within the party, we will never have a woman for president. Women seem to have to campaign harder and longer to get any positive results than does a man...bloody unfair! This country is now fucked because Harris did not win.

CBHagman

(17,337 posts)
19. We have already been ready to elect a woman.
Thu May 15, 2025, 03:22 PM
May 2025

Yes, I know that as long as the electoral college stands (and they did try to get rid of it years back), Hillary Clinton can win the popular vote, as Al Gore did, and yet we will send a Republican to the White House. But the figure of 80,000 or so voters across several states need not represent an insurmountable barrier.

What we do now matters, and I see every sign that women are going to be formidable candidates. But we have to make sure we build the electorate up and deal with the misinformation and apathy/defeatism that warp the turnout and voting patterns.

Gum Logger

(205 posts)
20. It sure would help if the Dems had a little marketing moxie.
Thu May 15, 2025, 04:29 PM
May 2025

The inside the beltway echo chamber can seem awfully comatose

somsai

(145 posts)
21. We already did, by popular vote
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 04:01 PM
Aug 3

This time the electoral college wasn't as lopsided in that many Trump gains with Black and Latino and Asian voters were wasted in NY and CA.

In 16 Trump said Iraq was a stupid war and he wouldn't touch SS. Someone who could stab a fork in D orthodoxy that most people in the US don't agree with, might be enough for some re branding. We're gaining white and losing black and latino working class, can't win an election that way.

Gum Logger

(205 posts)
24. For Democratic women to be elected president,
Tue Aug 19, 2025, 09:00 AM
Aug 19

Dems can not be losing Appalachiaby 90%. Remember, as army generals are fond of saying, the enemy gets a vote. A female nominee needs to be able to give stem-winder speeches, be fast talker, have the gift-of-gab. Somebody like repersentive Pat Schroeder

CTyankee

(66,943 posts)
25. OR by succeeding to the Presidency as VP when a male POTUS dies, becomes incapacitated or resigns.
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 11:59 AM
Aug 20

This country is incapable of electing a woman president, at least not in my lifetime.

JustAnotherGen

(36,798 posts)
26. Nope
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 12:06 PM
Aug 20

I'm 52 - Not happening in my lifetime.

I've been down this path twice - and if you consider Ferraro as VP Candidate in 1984?

Nope - not happening. Nothing brings out misogynists (both male AND female) worse that a Woman in Leadership.

CTyankee

(66,943 posts)
28. "women can't be Presidents," a religiously insane Lutheran told me a few months ago.
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 12:11 PM
Aug 20

I searched for his church online and found out that he is in a very small minority of Lutherans and that they have no such stated beliefs that a woman can't be president. They probably can't lead a congregation of other Lutherans, I don't know, but I didn't find a proscription against a woman being President.

andym

(6,032 posts)
27. A Republican woman may be the first woman President
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 12:08 PM
Aug 20

There are many GOP women senators and governors available. They would get the advantage of the GOP base and would probably get some Democrats and independents. OTOH, Hillary Clinton was perhaps the strongest woman candidate in the current pool of women and she did come very close.

CTyankee

(66,943 posts)
29. Not with this republican party. Maybe things will change tho.
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 12:14 PM
Aug 20

Probably not in my lifetime...

calguy

(5,961 posts)
30. Definitely not in the foreseeable future
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 12:16 PM
Aug 20

We’ve already nominated two of the best-qualified females one can imagine, and both times they were beaten by the least-qualified asshole candidate in history. If that doesn't send a clear message, I don't know what does.
While I’d love to have a woman sitting in the Oval Office, the country doesn't have a majority of voters who agree with me.

CTyankee

(66,943 posts)
32. Four of my five grandchildren are old enough to vote and I'm looking to their generation to get us back on the right
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 12:19 PM
Aug 20

path. But they are all in blue states with ONE EXCEPTION and she is fighting it out in Texas. Go Hannah!

SandyDoc

(3 posts)
34. Who should the candidate be?
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 02:23 PM
Aug 20

I"m very open, as long as the candidate is female and reflects policies supported by the working class majority of this nation.

Bettie

(18,762 posts)
35. No. Misogyny is far too ingrained in our society
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 02:32 PM
Aug 20

it is deeper and more prevalent than racism, because it is built into our culture.

somsai

(145 posts)
38. Qualified?
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 05:56 PM
Aug 20

She must be a natural-born citizen, be at least 35 years old, and have been a resident of the United States for at least 14 years.

Those are the only qualifications.

No one cares at this point what race, sex, age, religion etc. Makes not difference to almost everyone. Some good policy ideas might be a good change. Concrete ones to carry out in the first days of office.

CTyankee

(66,943 posts)
39. After reading your post it makes me kinda sick that we have women who met every qualification you can list and STILL
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 06:09 PM
Aug 20

we have no woman president ever.

JustAnotherGen

(36,798 posts)
40. Because
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 09:44 PM
Aug 20

People don't want to admit that White Male Working class culture is obsessed with their identity politics.

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