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Fiendish Thingy

(21,019 posts) Tue May 23, 2023, 11:30 AM May 2023

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SCOTUS has previously ruled on the 14th amendment debt clause [View all]

In 1935, Perry v. United States.

The powers conferred upon the Congress are harmonious … Having this power to authorize the issue of definite obligations for the payment of money borrowed, the Congress has not been vested with authority to alter or destroy those obligations.

https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep294/usrep294330/usrep294330.pdf

Edit to add:

To clarify, the Perry case was about the 14th amendment in relation to payments on existing debt obligations (bonds); SCOTUS has not previously ruled on the 14th amendment in regards to congressionally authorized budget expenditures.

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SCOTUS has previously ruled on the 14th amendment debt clause [View all] Fiendish Thingy May 2023 OP

Nice 👍 MutantAndProud May 2023 #1

Unfortunately, the current SC does not respect stare decisis as they have demonstrated JohnSJ May 2023 #2

Indeed, which is why Biden must be willing to trigger a much needed constitutional crisis Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #5

Per Olbermann - MOMFUDSKI May 2023 #13

THIS!!☝️ onetexan May 2023 #23

Yes!!! I_UndergroundPanther May 2023 #36

They take the "Judge Roy Bean" approach to jurisprudence: lastlib May 2023 #8

Exactly! I believe that's why Biden has been so reluctant to say that he'll invoke it. Texin May 2023 #9

The concern about our corrupt SCOTUS ignoring precedent RVN VET71 May 2023 #45

I guess with the debt limit the salaries of judges and their workers can be delayed. LiberalFighter May 2023 #17

Won't matter to Judge Pubic Hair.... AZ8theist May 2023 #20

LOL SouthernDem4ever May 2023 #39

Alitos' law clerks are now researching pre Magna Carta "laws" irisblue May 2023 #3

His law clerks are researching further back in time Jerry2144 May 2023 #4

Wait! The Cro-Magnons were around before gawd created Earth erronis May 2023 #10

If Only This Were Not True... Delusion Gives Birth To Delusion, No Matter How Intelligent One Is MayReasonRule May 2023 #32

This could be one of the most important OPs ever on DU! Sogo May 2023 #6

This SCOTUS doesn't give a shit about precedent Arazi May 2023 #7

Sadly, most of them think they were put there to destroy precedent... Wounded Bear May 2023 #38

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ That Is Correct!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ MayReasonRule May 2023 #44

This court has zero regard for precedent relayerbob May 2023 #11

Let them be responsible for financial Armageddon vanlassie May 2023 #35

They don't accept responsibility relayerbob May 2023 #37

Yea but the citizens will see it. vanlassie May 2023 #41

So, Laurence Tribe is right. gab13by13 May 2023 #12

I agree with Tribe, however... Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #16

Tribe's position relies on the idea that ignoring the debt ceiling is the "least unconstitutional" onenote May 2023 #19

This is kind of my thinking too DetroitLegalBeagle May 2023 #24

As he stated on MSNBC, Tribe's opinion focuses on the presidential oath, not the 14th Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #28

I don't think budget resolutions give authority for anything onenote May 2023 #46

Just the opposite FBaggins May 2023 #49

Evening news reported KS Toronado May 2023 #14

Mint The Coins IbogaProject May 2023 #15

Not a particularly helpful case onenote May 2023 #18

Thanks, your analysis is more persuasive than anything else in this thread Shrek May 2023 #43

"Anyone who thinks the issues presented are simple and easily resolved is fooling themselves." elocs May 2023 #50

They previously ruled on roe v wade too. CousinIT May 2023 #21

The current Supreme Court is going to rule on short term partisan advantage, not legal principle Bucky May 2023 #22

Just saw Huffpost headline that GOP alarms on debt ceiling don't include funding for military onetexan May 2023 #25

Drop the Hammer on em Joe Beachnutt May 2023 #26

We also may have a fight moniss May 2023 #27

No one has made that argument in court Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #30

That is my point moniss May 2023 #33

Biden needs to order Yellen to strike the platinum coins HariSeldon May 2023 #29

Bad gimmick, bad idea. Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #31

I didn't say trillion, I said multiple 10-million HariSeldon May 2023 #34

Doesn't matter the denomination, if the Fed won't accept it Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #40

WWHD... rubbersole May 2023 #42

The conservative justices will rule the way their billionaire overlords instruct them dlk May 2023 #47

K&R spanone May 2023 #48

Just remember arithmetic is not one of the Republican skillsets... Historic NY May 2023 #51