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Emrys

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9. Nevertheless, that's not what's discussed by others in the industry in that Twitter thread.

Thu Jul 13, 2023, 11:47 PM

Jul 2023

The problems of AI in the creative arts are real and just beginning, but step 1 is for creators to establish whether they can have and exercise control over use of their work as input for AI. Step 2 would be to enforce that, which would be a whole other ball game, and one where it's probably going to be impossible to achieve 100% compliance because some of the firms developing AI are going to be shady and indiscriminate in what they trawl as input.

That's what these current contracts are doing. There's no suggestion in the OP tweets that the publisher intends to do what your OP title claims. It may, but it's not there in the tweets you quoted or the ones I've just quoted.

What you say may be true, but I think it's a misreading of the situation described in the tweets in the OP.

People are worried about their rights over their current work, not immediately about what AI may be used to produce in future. That's going to be a different battle.

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At least one publisher asked a famous author to allow trained AI to write their future books. [View all] highplainsdem Jul 2023 OP

Linking to the LBN thread about studios wanting to exploit actors via AI: highplainsdem Jul 2023 #1

We must insist on all such AI moniss Jul 2023 #2

We draw a line against AI now, or see most humans replaced in most highplainsdem Jul 2023 #3

I concur wholeheartedly moniss Jul 2023 #5

I agree on labelling. Using AI for, say, programming is greatly different from authoring Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #17

As far as I can see, "train AI on their work" doesn't mean the contract Emrys Jul 2023 #4

There are already companies training AI on specific authors' work to copy highplainsdem Jul 2023 #6

No, your OP title is misleading. Emrys Jul 2023 #7

We'll see. But as I said in the email.I sent you, the data set of a very famous highplainsdem Jul 2023 #8

Nevertheless, that's not what's discussed by others in the industry in that Twitter thread. Emrys Jul 2023 #9

I stand by what I said. Having an AI trained on the data set of a famous author highplainsdem Jul 2023 #10

I've edited the OP to include a later tweet with a TikTok video with more details highplainsdem Jul 2023 #12

It would be to promote it as trained on the author, sold as if "almost the real thing" Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #14

AI's sole purpose is to eliminate employees regardless of Artcatt Jul 2023 #11

Wrong. Not the sole purpose. Finding new medicines does NOT eliminate workers Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #16

There are types of AI that are helpful. This is not one of them. highplainsdem Jul 2023 #19

It either is the author or the AI. I will will not buy fiction written by AI Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #13

Non-fiction isn't simply a collection of facts. There's judgment involved. And perspective. highplainsdem Jul 2023 #18

Yes. AI can be useful to assist non-fiction writers by fact-checking and completing datasets Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #27

I copy-edit almost solely non-fiction and academic titles. Emrys Jul 2023 #22

Thank you for a thoughtful post with insight from experience. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #24

AI-written fiction reminds me of the New Coke debacle. But even less desirable Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #15

I'm not okay with lab created stories, songs or video. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2023 #20

This Is Inevitable. If It Can Be Done, It Will Be Done. MineralMan Jul 2023 #21

No, it isn't inevitable, and should not be considered acceptable. Just highplainsdem Jul 2023 #23

I did not say that I approved of it. I don't. MineralMan Jul 2023 #25

I think some heirs and owners of intellectual property will welcome it Johonny Jul 2023 #26

Yup. The fight is on, apparently. MineralMan Jul 2023 #31

The people pushing AI want us to call it inevitable so it will be viewed highplainsdem Jul 2023 #30

In the end, the audience is going to decide what is acceptable. MineralMan Jul 2023 #32

"Writing to fit a formula, often called hackwork, can be done by humans" Emrys Jul 2023 #28

It is inevitable so it must be required to be labelled. But emulating an author with their name Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #29