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Plucketeer

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76. For ME....

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:40 AM

Dec 2012

..I can't understand why part of the 2nd amendment - THE FIRST FOUR WORDS OF THAT AMENDMENT - " A well regulated militia" are hardly EVER mentioned by those who claim said amendment for their own!

What the HELL is regulated - or even passes as a "militia" about those who cling to the personal arsenals? I would like these Rambos to give a detailed explanation of how it is they're gun lust is "regulated". Show me how you're regulated. Show me the enforcing authority for said regulations! Show me how it is they regulate you on a daily basis. We're talking tools EXPLICITLY designed to cause cessation of life in a living being. So explain to me how death tools should be less regulated than your toaster, your pool or your table saw or your automobile. Just how DO the words "regulated" and "militia" figure into your 2nd amendment sheild?

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The Aussies Had a Gun Massacre Problem. THEY FIXED IT! WHY CAN'T WE? [View all] Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #1

If you're right, the entire country is doomed Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #2

yes we CAN and yes we WILL nt Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #97

This time we WILL. 6502 Dec 2012 #168

Because the the lobbiest, namely the NRA, will not allow it. liberal N proud Dec 2012 #3

The NRA Has Gone Silent Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #4

Good idea. pangaia Dec 2012 #31

Carville! backscatter712 Dec 2012 #118

There's much more to fix than can be fixed by gun control, but - Daemonaquila Dec 2012 #50

Most Definately PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #54

I say smoke them out of their holes Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #99

Their pals in the conspiracy world and Rush and Beck haven't though - neither has ALEC. freshwest Dec 2012 #128

The NRA will be back, they are just waiting until people cool down over this incident cstanleytech Dec 2012 #159

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014339712 Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #6

I was watching... PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #60

Michael Bloomberg Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #78

The NRA is a front atreides1 Dec 2012 #77

heck Livluvgrow Dec 2012 #155

NRA and the insane American gun fetish murphyj87 Dec 2012 #179

We are a nation of privileged children who want all the toys but non of the responsibilities. leeroysphitz Dec 2012 #5

+1000 baldguy Dec 2012 #8

Bingo! Their macho deficiency, propped up with their multiple weapons. RC Dec 2012 #21

You nailed it in one well-crafted sentence. hifiguy Dec 2012 #110

Does Australia have a 2nd Amendment in their Constitution? Pryderi Dec 2012 #7

Guns are already regulated. Just extend the same rules from automatic to semi-auto firearms. leveymg Dec 2012 #10

Why do you cherish that Amendment so much, when all the other Amendments have been jonesgirl Dec 2012 #41

For ME.... Plucketeer Dec 2012 #76

The pro-slavery people welcome your comment. pop topcan Dec 2012 #151

I don't understand your comment Pop Topcan jonesgirl Dec 2012 #181

No. Australian law is based heavily on English law . . . MrModerate Dec 2012 #55

Close but not exactly DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #107

Define "exactly" . . . MrModerate Dec 2012 #132

Empire v. Commonwealth DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #166

Commonwealth was heir to the empire. The rump of empire. The evolution of empire. MrModerate Dec 2012 #174

Not intentional DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #176

The Commonwealth and the Empire are two different things... Violet_Crumble Dec 2012 #167

Your Item 2 is very, very, very important to young Australians of my acquaintance. MrModerate Dec 2012 #175

Membership does have its benefits... DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #177

does australia maintain "a well regulated militia?" frylock Dec 2012 #126

They do. DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #178

Know why they call it an *amendment*? gcomeau Dec 2012 #130

There's another document that should be read... the devil Dec 2012 #145

No advanced nation... murphyj87 Dec 2012 #169

A ban plus buy back would be powerful Renew Deal Dec 2012 #9

A buy-back might work, but boy will it be expensive. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #26

Let's ask the parents of those dead kids how much they're worth. Wednesdays Dec 2012 #29

So you have no problem with the Pentagon and DHS budget? krispos42 Dec 2012 #40

I'm not saying it's not worth it, just pointing out the cost. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #43

We piss that away on the military every year...and then some. ragemage Dec 2012 #42

We piss that much away every year on greenskeeping on military golf courses! xtraxritical Dec 2012 #137

Yes, that would be expensive Thav Dec 2012 #52

Take it out of the Defense budget. Plenty of waste there, to cover a buyback. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #53

No argument here. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #86

And would save more American lives Nevernose Dec 2012 #100

And just the medical costs of gunshot wounds . . . MrModerate Dec 2012 #58

Sounds like about how much stimulus we need Recursion Dec 2012 #74

We're not talking about every weapon Renew Deal Dec 2012 #91

How many trillions of dollars have SheilaT Dec 2012 #115

Of course, the U.S. can do the same. Legislators make waaaaaay too much money off valerief Dec 2012 #11

Australia is a country with a population..... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #12

Why? Most Aussies live in cities and suburbs, just like here. What's the difference? leveymg Dec 2012 #13

Australia is the most urbanized country in the world marions ghost Dec 2012 #45

Absolutely Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #89

Thank you for your post marions ghost Dec 2012 #93

You're Most Welcome Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #102

True, but we got the Puritans! Festivito Dec 2012 #136

There are people that would donate BILLIONS to the Gov for the buyback program... Firebrand Gary Dec 2012 #14

If they're willing to spend that kind of money they don't need the government...just a few dozen pop topcan Dec 2012 #152

The UK got rid of most guns after another School Shootong, 16 children 1 Adult.......... kooljerk666 Dec 2012 #15

I heard a BBC interview ReRe Dec 2012 #16

Ban assault rifles and semi-automatics.... horsedoc Dec 2012 #17

You just can't do that! UndahCovah Dec 2012 #34

Call the whambulaaance marions ghost Dec 2012 #95

LOL! Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #109

The point is, when the gop takes control UndahCovah Dec 2012 #142

Of course you can ban things marions ghost Dec 2012 #147

You don't really know anything about guns, do you? pop topcan Dec 2012 #154

Because we have a very corrupt government. aandegoons Dec 2012 #18

Thanks for posting this. LisaLynne Dec 2012 #19

Blows holes in all of the NRA gun psycho babbling points. 99Forever Dec 2012 #20

And in general the rates of death by gun In Australia is dropping marions ghost Dec 2012 #22

It's also dropping in the US Recursion Dec 2012 #32

Their massacre rate dropped to ZERO after the ban Doctor_J Dec 2012 #36

Their massacre rate was much lower than ours before the ban, too Recursion Dec 2012 #39

America's death by gun is currently 50 X Australia's marions ghost Dec 2012 #46

I wouldn't oppose an attempt at what Australia did Recursion Dec 2012 #49

What do you think of this paper?: marions ghost Dec 2012 #56

I agree fewer guns mean fewer homicides. I do not believe legal restrictions mean fewer guns Recursion Dec 2012 #59

Your example of DC marions ghost Dec 2012 #64

But from what I'm seeing, the rate of firearms ownership didn't go down in Australia, either Recursion Dec 2012 #67

When on Nov 7 the gun nuts were threatening to move Down Under, Doctor_J Dec 2012 #81

Totally. I would love to get rid of semi-automatic weapons. Recursion Dec 2012 #83

Game. Set. Match. Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #125

Uh, no Doctor_J Dec 2012 #80

The argument is that Australia hasn't had a mass shooting since 1996, which is untrue Recursion Dec 2012 #87

2 fatalities? That's a mass shooting? ThoughtCriminal Dec 2012 #146

All murders are down but the percentage commited by firearms stays pretty constant. progressoid Dec 2012 #47

Freedom is dangerous without common sense. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #23

And they didn't have to ban video games and movies? eShirl Dec 2012 #24

No, but they may've had to curb RW hate radio--if, in fact, there Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #131

The one simple answer: phobias and racism. ananda Dec 2012 #25

Not only would this never happen within the Corporate Republic, it would never even harun Dec 2012 #27

Just imagine how much lower it would be without Lord Rupert and his minions pushing the hate button? Ford_Prefect Dec 2012 #28

We got the same decrease in homicides by firearms, without getting rid of the firearms Recursion Dec 2012 #30

Interestingly, ProSense Dec 2012 #61

Assault weapons are so rarely used in crimes that they don't even show up in the stats Recursion Dec 2012 #63

So you're for assault weapons? ProSense Dec 2012 #69

I think the assault weapons ban was stupid. I bet you would too, if you learned what it actually did Recursion Dec 2012 #72

Are you ProSense Dec 2012 #75

As I've said repeatedly, for two reasons Recursion Dec 2012 #79

You keep making ProSense Dec 2012 #84

Well, first off, there has been a mass shooting in Australia since 1996 Recursion Dec 2012 #88

Again, ProSense Dec 2012 #92

You do know that Connecticut has a strict AWB? hack89 Dec 2012 #82

Clearly it needs to be improved. n/t ProSense Dec 2012 #85

They still have representative democracy in Australia Doctor_J Dec 2012 #33

Our government is too corrupt Demeter Dec 2012 #35

The problem is mental illness and lack of treatment Demeter Dec 2012 #37

"by gun", "by gun" krispos42 Dec 2012 #38

Because we've got the damn 2nd Amendment--that anachronistic relic Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #44

slaves were counted as 3/5 of a person in the original Constitution as well NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #62

Yes, they were. That unfortunate clause was subsequently struck down, Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #73

And they still are. ieoeja Dec 2012 #112

You live in an urban area - great. Indydem Dec 2012 #98

Please, spare us the nauseating image of your Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #119

AK-47 and all fully automatic rifles are already highly regulated - nearly illegal. Indydem Dec 2012 #120

But, their kissing cousins, the AK-ad-nauseum semi-automatics Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #123

Question: jonesgirl Dec 2012 #48

I doubt you'll get much of an answer if any Fumesucker Dec 2012 #149

Uncomfortable questions?? Too tough?? jonesgirl Dec 2012 #180

It's just 3 letters to explain why we can't - NRA LynneSin Dec 2012 #51

Wait, WHO is getting filty rich? Indydem Dec 2012 #103

a little deliberately obtuse are we? nt laundry_queen Dec 2012 #163

Because ProSense Dec 2012 #57

The buyback hasn't seemed to change Australia's firearms ownership rate Recursion Dec 2012 #65

The point is the policy worked to reduce the violence. ProSense Dec 2012 #66

Except our violence rate went down too, by the same amount (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #68

Your argument is ProSense Dec 2012 #71

Because "everyone knows" that gun control doesn't work MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #70

Because we are the CAN'T DO IT country Dems to Win Dec 2012 #90

because Americans are fucking crazy, unlike Aussies. librechik Dec 2012 #94

Why can't we? Simply 'cause too many pols and other Americans view the right to pack indepat Dec 2012 #96

Please update rhat the facts are wrong on this article neffernin Dec 2012 #101

No, the facts aren't wrong. ProSense Dec 2012 #105

Hrm, not how i understood it neffernin Dec 2012 #160

There's been no massacres since the gun reform happened in Australia... Violet_Crumble Dec 2012 #165

They don't have election stealing, right wing... santamargarita Dec 2012 #104

Switzerland... LP2K12 Dec 2012 #106

What do you think the Swiss example proves? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #127

I believe... LP2K12 Dec 2012 #134

I am Swiss (double citizen living there) and I agree. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #135

We let Industry control our Government AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #108

My sister in Australia HeiressofBickworth Dec 2012 #111

why did "self defense" not count? shireen Dec 2012 #113

Because both our politicians and voters are COWARDS. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #114

Excellent! Thank you for posting this! solara Dec 2012 #116

Because they have a parliament? SoCalDem Dec 2012 #117

"There hasn’t been a single one in Australia since" = false. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #121

Because the right wingers are quick to come back with nonsensical BS excuses for gun worship Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #122

K n R Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #124

So did the Brits. KamaAina Dec 2012 #129

Easy answer. Apathy and stupidity. Approx 68% of eligible voters either didnt bother to vote rhett o rick Dec 2012 #133

because the NRA and their repug cronies love guns more than children samsingh Dec 2012 #138

The last line is F*ing -- FALSE. NOT TRUE. BALDERDASH. Festivito Dec 2012 #139

Still, only one shooting in 15+ years AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #144

"...hasn’t been a single one..." I can't use that line. Festivito Dec 2012 #171

A single "mass" shooting with *TWO* fatalities in over 15 years. gcomeau Dec 2012 #150

In Australia - that's a "mass shooting" ThoughtCriminal Dec 2012 #157

That's not the line I was fed in the OP. Festivito Dec 2012 #172

It took 12 days to pass the law MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #140

After every tragedy we 840high Dec 2012 #141

Seems to be a sensible and sane country treestar Dec 2012 #143

Kicking to the top, for my Aussie/Vietnam n/t UTUSN Dec 2012 #148

Aussies are tough folks, and they bit the bullet. Our gun "enthusiasts" don't have the guts to try Hoyt Dec 2012 #153

Overcompensation Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #173

It's time to lead, Mr. President. leftlibdem420 Dec 2012 #156

I'm sure many said there would never be health care reform here.... Isoldeblue Dec 2012 #158

K & R Care Acutely Dec 2012 #161

Because most American gun nuts aren't as smart as their average kangaroo. n/t Cleita Dec 2012 #162

knr for sanity Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #164

To Be Cynical - Because NRA Supporters And Gun Apologists Would Rather Die Supporting cantbeserious Dec 2012 #170