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WarGamer

(17,560 posts) Sat Jul 5, 2025, 03:58 PM Jul 5

Texas State officials, the organizers of the summer camp appear to be at fault. [View all]

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/weather/2025/07/05/accuweather-sent-warnings-ahead-of-kerr-county-flooding-that-killed-at-least-27/

AccuWeather sent warnings ahead of Texas flooding that killed at least 27

AccuWeather said the private forecasting company and the National Weather Service sent warnings about potential flash flooding hours before the devastation.

The floods hit the camp between 4:30 and 5:00 AM the morning of July 4... the NWS FLASH FLOOD EMERGENCY was sent at 1:14AM

Accuweather and the NWS sent warning alerts earlier on July 3.

Don't forget, this summer camp was 750+ people... a large and highly organized thing... not just a couple Girl Scout troops.

and the money quote:

“The heartbreaking catastrophe that occurred in Central Texas is a tragedy of the worst sort because it appears evacuations and other proactive measures could have been undertaken to reduce the risk of fatalities had the organizers of impacted camps and local officials heeded the warnings of the government and private weather sources, including AccuWeather,” said AccuWeather Chief Meteorologist Jonathan Porter.

“Both the National Weather Service and AccuWeather warned of the threat of flash flooding hours before the worst of the storm’s impacts. AccuWeather warned customers of ‘imminent flash flooding’ 30 minutes prior to the National Weather Service’s Flash Flood Warning, which provided even more advance notice.”

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Texas State officials, the organizers of the summer camp appear to be at fault. [View all] WarGamer Jul 5 OP

These Texas officials are pointing fingers at everyone but themselves. Next they'll be saying the young girls should Silent Type Jul 5 #1

The local yocals look like the Texas cops sitting on their thumbs watching the school shooting WarGamer Jul 5 #2

Like Buford T reference. Right now Gov Abbot is on signing a request for fed help and he has Kristi Noem by his side. Silent Type Jul 5 #3

"The government was created to serve people" says Noem. applegrove Jul 5 #4

Or that the weather report came from a woman, mcar Jul 5 #6

+1. Forgot about that one. Silent Type Jul 5 #8

The campers were already there - these were residential summer camps. Ms. Toad Jul 6 #44

Yes. As popular as that camp is, authorities should have made sure they were notified. Apparently, they weren't. Silent Type Jul 6 #61

Supposedly- lots of kids camps were between sessions womanofthehills Jul 6 #62

The thing I can't figure out, given the known volatility of area is why there were cabins that close to the river. Biophilic Jul 5 #5

Exactly Rebl2 Jul 5 #9

Why does anyone put any structure close to a body of water? Renew Deal Jul 5 #19

Im sure they would have built over the pretty river , if they could. People do. Srkdqltr Jul 6 #54

Because the greedy never learn malaise Jul 5 #31

They should have had an evacuation plan, and followed it RandomNumbers Jul 6 #55

Same thing happened in 1987 and 10 died in a camp bus dwayneb Jul 6 #59

Interesting - the next girl's camp up the river had all their cabins up on high cliffs womanofthehills Jul 6 #60

The director died in the floods Demovictory9 Jul 5 #7

I heard that earlier..a perfect scapegoat, isn't it? Only Camp Mystic was founded in 1926 Deuxcents Jul 5 #10

Trump and his pals always try to blame someone else. Kingofalldems Jul 5 #12

It's one in 100, not one in 1000 - Ms. Toad Jul 6 #46

Ten teens died in 1987 flood of river womanofthehills Jul 6 #64

Nope. Trump is responsible. Kingofalldems Jul 5 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jul 5 #17

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BTW I was just reading... no technology is allowed at the camp. WarGamer Jul 5 #24

so Camp Mystic would not have heard the warnings whenever they were issued RussBLib Jul 5 #35

that's a real problem... WarGamer Jul 5 #38

not sure if anyone had a satellite phone RussBLib Jul 5 #39

The Texas Legislature BigMin28 Jul 6 #52

I'm assuming the administrators would have some means of contact... regnaD kciN Jul 5 #42

That's sounding much more likely as the root cause pinkstarburst Jul 6 #51

That camp has been there for 100 years..literally Melon Jul 5 #13

For those that don't know Texas Rowdyag Jul 5 #14

Kerrville is 100 miles away from Uvalde. TheProle Jul 5 #15

Yeah Kerr County sheriff is a republican. Kingofalldems Jul 5 #21

There is another christian camp close to Uvalde, but not Camp Mystic MagickMuffin Jul 5 #34

and for both the floods and the Uvalde shootings, the local agencies are busy blaming someone else DBoon Jul 6 #56

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Did they use the emergency broadcast system to send messages to phones? Renew Deal Jul 5 #18

My son lives about 30 miles east of that area and he told me today there were flash flood warnings on tv Deuxcents Jul 5 #20

Camp Mystic likely did not have cell service LeftInTX Jul 6 #43

weather radios don't rely on cell service pstokely Jul 6 #49

All NWS flash flood warnings trigger Wireless Emergency Alerts dalton99a Jul 5 #25

There is no cell service in that area. LeftInTX Jul 6 #45

You would wonder if they had a weather radio pinkstarburst Jul 6 #57

Did they even have a weather radio? pstokely Jul 6 #48

i am sure the local authorities were doing their best Tetrachloride Jul 5 #26

Apparently the camp is "technology-free" WarGamer Jul 5 #27

a friend of mine attended a technology free camp last year Tetrachloride Jul 5 #29

or a weather radio pstokely Jul 6 #50

Hmm...at 4am and 5am in the morning, if someone wasn't up watching the news they would have missed Baitball Blogger Jul 5 #28

No the Accuweather Warning was 1245 the NWS warning 115am WarGamer Jul 5 #30

Well, in Florida, when we were in a flood area for Hurricane David, Baitball Blogger Jul 5 #32

absolutely... but this was truly out in the middle of nowhere. WarGamer Jul 5 #33

Somehow, I don't think that seclusion Baitball Blogger Jul 5 #36

No, it's not in the middle of nowhere. Texasgal Jul 5 #40

And no one was allowed cell phones... WarGamer Jul 5 #41

Golly! I wonder if there was any precedent that could have foretold such flooding. Norrrm Jul 5 #37

Don't they have overnight security? Buckeyeblue Jul 6 #47

At 1 AM claudette Jul 6 #53

With 700 kids in camp? Someone better be awake. travelingthrulife Jul 6 #58

But no one claudette Jul 6 #65

The USGS has more streamflow stations on this river and its tributaries than most places in the US. waterwatcher123 Jul 6 #63

What an interesting thread. Kingofalldems Jul 12 #66