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50. Would you like to start here?

Reply to TommyT139 (Reply #39)

Sun Jul 6, 2025, 06:17 PM

Jul 6

And that is the tip of the shit with this person. Even if you can, as I do, agree with him that the trans backlash is disheartening, the screaming resentment he clearly has at navigating LGBT rights as a function of equality and inclusion in civil society motivates his activism at its core.

His view is the gay liberationist, resentful, dripping with disdain at the very idea that LGBT people want to be included in the functions and institutions of society. This is not how most LGBT people think. It is not representative. It is not a course most of the community wants to pursue. But within this, his agenda is very clear.

And if you don't share my problem with that whole ideological mindset, how do you feel about an ACLU attorney advocating banning books and ideas from public discourse? Because he did that, too.

That is an authoritarian, illiberal mindset.

Strangio is fine to pursue whatever radical ideological course he wishes. Unlike him, I believe in free expression. But his expressed ideology is absolutely toxic to political success. Feel fortunate that most people never hear what he has to say. Because they would run even harder and faster from our movement if they did.

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Sarah McBride: (Transgender Congresswoman) "Why The Left Lost On Trans Rights) [View all] BluesRunTheGame Jul 6 OP

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I'm proud to have voted for her. Walleye Jul 6 #2

This video was my first exposure to her. BluesRunTheGame Jul 6 #3

My Delaware family loves her mountain grammy Jul 6 #5

She won with a large percentage of the vote Walleye Jul 6 #47

Republicans are ugly! mountain grammy Jul 6 #53

it's why I bought her book Skittles Jul 7 #70

tl;dr: Follow the polling, even if the polling says they want you eliminated from society. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 6 #6

What does principled have to do with anything ? JI7 Jul 6 #11

You have to some principles, otherwise, what's the point? LymphocyteLover Jul 6 #17

She does JI7 Jul 6 #27

Also, from what I've seen, the #1 purity test in lefty politics is around trans rights LymphocyteLover Jul 6 #16

I've been a DU member since 2001and this comradebillyboy Jul 6 #7

Exactly BluesRunTheGame Jul 6 #8

One of the tragedies of all this... yardwork Jul 6 #9

The radical activist tail keeps wagging the dog Sympthsical Jul 6 #12

McBride and the NY Times seem to want to give people an off ramp Prairie Gates Jul 6 #18

I haven't seen McBride's interview yet Sympthsical Jul 6 #23

At the risk of reigniting a massive DU war, some of this is true of some feminists. yardwork Jul 6 #24

this one of the best replies on this subject I have read on DU Celerity Jul 6 #26

Patriarchal system oppression is real, but your not going to convince anyone by using authoritarian tactics DSandra Jul 6 #38

Chase Strangio helped win you the right to marry. TommyT139 Jul 6 #39

Would you like to start here? Sympthsical Jul 6 #50

That's a perfect post, thanks. Do you not understand TommyT139 Jul 7 #72

Strangio worked to give us Obergefell cadoman Jul 6 #46

Interesting concept. writerJT Jul 6 #64

if a repuke can tolerate a non-white who supports white supremacy... cadoman Jul 6 #65

Explain this "talent" to me Sympthsical Jul 7 #66

so rather than throw Strangio out of the tent and they run 3rd party, why not make that argument? cadoman Jul 7 #68

Oh, believe me - I blame the ACLU plenty for this Sympthsical Jul 7 #69

I'm asking if someone should be writerJT Jul 7 #67

+1 leftstreet Jul 6 #63

overreach how, specifically? I'm in academic science and have never seen this LymphocyteLover Jul 6 #14

That's my point. The scientists stayed out of it, but they're paying the price. yardwork Jul 6 #25

these things happen unfortunately... I don't know why it's a Dem issue though LymphocyteLover Jul 6 #49

Democratic leaders are held responsible for things they neither say nor do Martin Eden Jul 7 #75

I think it's the whole qazplm135 Jul 6 #30

Agree LymphocyteLover Jul 6 #48

Most people, even TERFs, are 50% on the issue... haele Jul 6 #52

And with social media all the demands to know if someone has commented about something JI7 Jul 6 #10

I keep hearing Dems say this and I still don't get it. The #1 purity test I see on the left is on trans rights LymphocyteLover Jul 6 #13

Some people think questioning trans people in sports means they actually want trans people dead. Oneironaut Jul 6 #37

I don't Gavin Newsom wants trans people dead, for instance LymphocyteLover Jul 6 #44

The thing about sports I don't get is EllieBC Jul 6 #51

If they are explicitly being bigots, then they can be sued LymphocyteLover Jul 6 #56

They almost certainly can't now if they are dealing with student athletes dsc Jul 6 #62

that's because this administration and SCOTUS is fucked up. Not Dems fault. LymphocyteLover Jul 7 #74

The right used it. EllieBC Jul 6 #58

yet I've see a lot of trans people mad at Harris for not sticking up for them during the campaign LymphocyteLover Jul 8 #85

Because Republicans want to spend more time talking about trans rights in sports as it's Doodley Jul 6 #61

Folks sure turned on her pretty quickly. All it takes is stepping out of line just once, apparently. BannonsLiver Jul 8 #84

And all the posts attacking, Mandami for being TOO Bettie Jul 6 #15

The purity of the center always masquerades as neutral common sense Prairie Gates Jul 6 #19

Yes, it's not just the center. It seems how most treat anyone left of them with shutdown buzzwords Ilikepurple Jul 6 #57

Exactly Starry Messenger Jul 6 #43

And not even because he truly isn't left enough mcar Jul 6 #21

I missed that. Weird. yardwork Jul 6 #28

Very weird mcar Jul 6 #36

You ain't wrong! Unfortunately, it is what it is! Floyd R. Turbo Jul 6 #55

Hey Floyd, where ya been?? You are missed. Hope you're well and things are OK 💕 SaveOurDemocracy Jul 12 #86

Needed a break. All is well. Many thanks for asking. Floyd R. Turbo Jul 12 #87

Hey!! Good to see you! Scrivener7 Jul 14 #88

Thank you S7! Floyd R. Turbo Jul 15 #89

My son heard this interview mcar Jul 6 #20

As one who was appalled by that tweet I'm happy to discuss. yardwork Jul 6 #29

It was one tweet. One mcar Jul 6 #32

I think that the Democratic Party needs some constructive criticism right now. yardwork Jul 6 #33

I agree completely mcar Jul 6 #35

If he tweeted it from his Congressional account LearnedHand Jul 6 #40

'K mcar Jul 6 #41

Yeah I know LearnedHand Jul 6 #42

what does "tossing out" mean exactly? LymphocyteLover Jul 6 #45

I do not like sanctimonious crap Skittles Jul 6 #59

The essence of why we lose BannonsLiver Jul 6 #22

"We have become a very exclusionary tent shedding imperfect allies..." J_William_Ryan Jul 6 #31

There's a huge gray area between those two extremes. yardwork Jul 6 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jul 8 #81

McBride was attacked by trans activists last year SocialDemocrat61 Jul 6 #54

She's wrong. The problem is we AREN'T a self-righteous, morally pure club. That''s Republicans. They own morality. Doodley Jul 6 #60

Well said. H2O Man Jul 7 #71

Shes another pick me trans person vercetti2021 Jul 7 #73

Glad to see you Keepthesoulalive Jul 7 #77

I've become more of a lurker vercetti2021 Jul 7 #78

I understand Keepthesoulalive Jul 7 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jul 8 #80

Your snark is really unnecessary. Oneironaut Jul 8 #82

My bad. BannonsLiver Jul 8 #83

The Advocate had a good write up on the interview Quiet Em Jul 7 #76

I haven't listened yet but I don't like the quote so far ecstatic Jul 15 #90

A big tent that includes votes that can sink the Biden agenda has not proven to bring us more wins. Passages Jul 15 #91