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52. Is it possible to criticize Israel and NOT be called an anti-semite or harbouring "Jew hate"?

Sat Jul 12, 2025, 08:55 AM

Jul 12

Israel and defenders say yes.

We just have to pass the "3D test", created and judged/graded entirely by Israel's advocates and defenders.

As it's defined and administered, that test won't be "passed" by anyone concerned with Palestinian human rights, international law or justice. It's a standard of criticism we do not apply to any other country. Imagine if Russia came to us with such a test to root out Russophobia. We'd laugh in their face.

A double standard, no?

The new definition of anti-semitism, using that 3D test, will label anyone who consistently and forcefully criticizes Israel's actions as anti-semitic Jew haters and face the consequences - which as you know are not insignificant in these Trumpian days especially if you are on the left or are Arab/Muslim.

Ergo, criticize Israel at your own peril.

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Antisemitism Is an Urgent Problem. Too Many People Are Making Excuses. [View all] Beastly Boy Jul 11 OP

Sharing the full article for those who do not have a subscription - link below cliffside Jul 11 #1

Thank you LetMyPeopleVote Jul 12 #90

I just rejoined my synagogue Mossfern Jul 11 #2

Post removed Post removed Jul 11 #4

Not your right to decide this LearnedHand Jul 11 #5

What a foolish post DavidDvorkin Jul 11 #6

It's a synagogue, not a religion Mossfern Jul 11 #7

Our church survived on freewill donations, not dues Grolph_ Jul 11 #8

How are dues not freewill donations? Beastly Boy Jul 11 #12

Why are you arguing with me? Mossfern Jul 11 #17

Exactly. lostincalifornia Jul 12 #29

Ever heard of a tithe? Mountainguy Jul 12 #22

Goodie for you. intheflow Jul 12 #78

Ever been to a Catholic Church? DET Jul 11 #10

The nuns at my Catholic school, Our Lady of Perpetual Need, would hand out letters to take home to our parents sop Jul 12 #56

The deposit at the front of our home town church pwb Saturday #113

Certainly true, I just wonder how much is anti-semitic vs. just any "other". Seems Trump has made "other' the scapegoat dutch777 Jul 11 #3

There is a chart included in the article. Beastly Boy Jul 11 #9

The rise in hate crimes against Jews has me worried LetMyPeopleVote Jul 12 #91

There is NO anti-semitism from the "far left" maxrandb Jul 11 #11

Did an antisemite tell you all this? Beastly Boy Jul 11 #13

Some blind people see anti-semitism EVERYWHERE maxrandb Jul 11 #15

I certainly see antisemitism where some blind people don't. Beastly Boy Jul 11 #19

Right you are, BB... PCIntern Jul 12 #27

Me too cabotnn22 Jul 12 #66

Absolutely. The statement that "there is no antisemitism on the far left" is a validation of the OP. lostincalifornia Jul 12 #33

It is a ridiculous claim, BB mcar Jul 12 #73

Mahalo, BB.. Perfectly said. Cha Jul 13 #108

Anybody chanting from the river to the sea is anti-Semitic EdmondDantes_ Jul 11 #18

Was it antisemitic when it was first used (that being by Israeli Zionists)? Celerity Jul 12 #25

In that the people living there were also semitic, yes EdmondDantes_ Jul 12 #39

Is the DSA considered "far left"? sarisataka Jul 12 #21

This is untrue misinformation and existentially stupid maxrandb Jul 12 #26

Speking of existentially stupid: how quickly people forget. Beastly Boy Jul 12 #36

Rec'd a gazillion times! Mossfern Jul 12 #50

That's like saying the people that marched across the Edmund Pettis Bridge maxrandb Jul 12 #64

Ridiculous. Beastly Boy Jul 12 #69

That makes no sense mcar Jul 12 #75

That DSA statement is disgusting - and pure anti-semitism mcar Jul 12 #74

Ah ha... Thanks for the DSA pictues of Cha Jul 13 #109

"AOC denounces anti-Semitism at pro-Palestinian rally" lapucelle Jul 12 #60

Yes she did sarisataka Jul 12 #82

Untrue? sarisataka Jul 12 #81

Whoa... "the lady doth protest too much" Arazi Jul 12 #57

Tell that to the Jewish students mcar Jul 12 #71

Cringe egduj Jul 13 #106

The far right and far left bend and meet at antisemitism. nt LexVegas Jul 11 #14

The Reich would like nothing more than for people to believe that bullshit maxrandb Jul 11 #16

No, not both sides. All sides. Beastly Boy Jul 12 #32

Roght! Sure Jan. maxrandb Jul 12 #35

These constant deflections are tiresome. Beastly Boy Jul 12 #41

They have to deflect, because that is their only defense for what is happening right before their eyes. lostincalifornia Jul 12 #51

It is "effing" political! maxrandb Jul 12 #37

Are you still talking about antisemitism, or are you just still talking? Beastly Boy Jul 12 #43

No, I am just curious maxrandb Jul 12 #48

You are so obsessed that there is no antisemitism from the left, that you have become blind to it. lostincalifornia Jul 12 #46

I think the RW is simply less interested in hiding their bigotry Torchlight Jul 12 #49

Right? We all saw President Obama's stasi police force, didn't we? maxrandb Jul 12 #54

It does not follow Torchlight Jul 12 #63

Oh, it does follow maxrandb Jul 12 #65

You're crafting your arguments to oppose that no one else is asserting Torchlight Jul 14 #112

Some quick comments: Aussie105 Jul 12 #20

And what if they support them? Mountainguy Jul 12 #23

I am assuming nothing. Beastly Boy Jul 12 #31

Neat setup you got there maxrandb Jul 12 #42

Oh gawd... not again... Beastly Boy Jul 12 #45

You are all over this OP mcar Jul 12 #79

Can you give me a clear, concise, and accurate definition of antisemitism? I am confused. sinkingfeeling Jul 12 #58

This is the most widely accepted deinition of antisemitism, not how I define it, but Beastly Boy Jul 12 #59

I asked how you experience antisemitism. sinkingfeeling Jul 12 #62

You asked me for the definition of antisemitism. You got it. Beastly Boy Jul 12 #68

Beastly Boy Cha Jul 13 #110

Excellent comment. To take it further - RandomNumbers Jul 13 #105

To quote one of the top-rated comments on this column BeyondGeography Jul 12 #24

That is an excuse antisemites routinely use when they come out from under a rock. Beastly Boy Jul 12 #30

Do you support Netanyahu? intheflow Jul 12 #34

WTF? What's with all the deflecting? Beastly Boy Jul 12 #38

Now, it's antisemitism in America? maxrandb Jul 12 #44

Enough with the random replies. Beastly Boy Jul 12 #47

Did you think it was about the left Mossfern Jul 12 #67

Some people here defended shit EllieBC Jul 12 #96

Many American Jews agree with that commenter, who is also an American Jew BeyondGeography Jul 12 #40

This is not a popularity contest. Beastly Boy Jul 12 #53

The problem is our own eyes. pwb Jul 12 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Sunday #114

Is it possible to criticize Israel and NOT be called an anti-semite or harbouring "Jew hate"? AloeVera Jul 12 #52

Is it possible to acknowledge the full scale of antisemitism in America without deflecting to Beastly Boy Jul 12 #55

Not as long as false charges of anti-semitism are used to silence us. AloeVera Jul 12 #80

Nobody is silenceing you. You are welcome to show how any charges of antisemitism are false, Beastly Boy Jul 12 #84

Palestinian lives matter too. AloeVera Jul 12 #86

There was a lot more you said which was far more hostile, but between those two statements, Beastly Boy Jul 12 #88

You accuse me of what you yourself do. AloeVera Jul 12 #92

What is patently absurd about Israel giving Sinai back to Egypt for a peace treaty? Beastly Boy Jul 12 #93

In the Land of Land Grabs, I mean Israel... AloeVera Jul 12 #94

It wasn't a selfless magnanymous gesture. It was land for peace. Beastly Boy Jul 12 #95

What people are overlooking is the double standard sarisataka Jul 12 #83

Yeah you'd have been destroyed if you dared EllieBC Jul 12 #97

Great post. Celerity Jul 12 #61

+1 leftstreet Jul 12 #77

It seems to me Mossfern Jul 12 #70

I think they absolutely understand what they are doing. lostincalifornia Jul 12 #72

Oh, they understand allright! Beastly Boy Jul 12 #76

This same delusional and virulently antisemitic worldview proclaims Hamas to be later day Nelson Mandelas tritsofme Jul 12 #85

This! lapucelle Jul 12 #87

Wow! Lots of visual aids! Behind the Aegis Jul 12 #89

Mandy Patinkin has an interesting take on what is causing the increase in antisemitism. . . Stargleamer Jul 13 #98

He has a point, but not as a response to the OP. Beastly Boy Jul 13 #99

True, but pouring gasoline on a fire does result in significantly more destruction. . . Stargleamer Jul 13 #100

Sorry, this sounds too much like excusing antisemitism for my taste. Beastly Boy Jul 13 #102

There is more destruction when gasoline is poured on a fire. . . Stargleamer Jul 13 #104

That's what I thought about your comment, not what Mandy Patinkin said. Beastly Boy Jul 13 #107

It's become very widespread. Elessar Zappa Jul 13 #101

The problem with the majority of progressives I have is not them being antisemitic. Beastly Boy Jul 13 #103

Rec'd Mossfern Jul 13 #111