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Bernardo de La Paz

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30. I think Heinlein is the most American of all SF writers and the best story teller too. Others are more lyrical

Fri Jul 18, 2025, 03:57 PM

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Some writers are even more firmly in the science / tech end of things. Some excel at philosophy. Others are more adept at character development.

None of them combined those elements as well as Heinlein, and he did it in an American way. He expressed great love for freedom and free-thinking, for the entrepreneurial force strong in Americans and for the grittiness of American culture. I get the impression that he would have been a great hitch--hiker to pick up heading out of California through the dry parts of Nevada and Utah. Equally, he would have been a great guy to have working beside you at a desk in an engineering firm or managing an animation studio. There is a wonderful photo of him with Asimov and L Sprague de Camp while doing engineering for the US WW2 war effort. I get a feeling he would be tough and a bit abrasive but I see him in my mind as having a smile and joy about him more than any other feeling or sensibility.

Perhaps Heinlein's most redeeming quality is that as with Mark Twain (who greatly influenced him as a writer) he loved cats.

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