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OilemFirchen

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30. This is pure comedy gold.

Tue Jul 22, 2025, 02:51 PM

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From your link:

In January, the ICJ delivered an interim judgement - and one key paragraph from the ruling drew the most attention: “In the Court’s view, the facts and circumstances... are sufficient to conclude that at least some of the rights claimed by South Africa and for which it is seeking protection are plausible.”

This was interpreted by many, including some legal commentators, to mean that the court had concluded that the claim that Israel was committing genocide in Gaza was “plausible”.

This interpretation spread quickly, appearing in UN press releases, statements from campaign groups and many media outlets, including the BBC.

In April, however, Joan Donoghue, the president of the ICJ at the time of that ruling, said in a BBC interview that this was not what the court had ruled.

The ellipsis in the first paragraph obfuscates that the ICJ concluded that the Palestinians had a plausible right to be protected from genocide and that South Africa had the right to present that claim in the court. That some unnamed others, including unnamed "legal commentators" declared otherwise is not exactly newsworthy, nor useful. That the "interpretation spread quickly, appearing in UN press releases, statements from campaign groups and many media outlets, including the BBC" is likewise irrelevant, predictable and equally useless. In fact, all of those statements directly contradict the plain language from Joan Donoghue in the fourth paragraph, and is the thrust of this OP.

Your assertion that 'In 2024 they called the genocide claims "plausible"' is a howler and your link includes the massive punchline.

Then "In 2025, it’s what’s called a slam dunk. The planned death camps should be a clue." Hilarious!

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There has never been a plausible case of Israeli genocide. [View all] OilemFirchen Jul 21 OP

The Order was made by the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in January 2024, sheshe2 Jul 21 #1

As I said, I've been staying away from the subject. OilemFirchen Jul 21 #8

I do understand your staying away from the subject, I do. sheshe2 Tuesday #12

UKFLI Charitable Trust? Wow, YouTube is pushing the propaganda at you. muriel_volestrangler Tuesday #29

Here is the YT video for your first link. UKFLI is a front for apartheid, occupation, war crimes, and ethnic cleansing. Celerity Wednesday #48

BBC posted the clip on twitter shortly after the program aired, and it's still available on their website. lapucelle Wednesday #50

That seems like a bit of a technical cop out EdmondDantes_ Jul 21 #2

From "Never Again" to writerJT Jul 21 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author iemanja Tuesday #15

The ICJ is only one of many legitimate authorities on the subject of genocide. I have seen a number of very plausible Martin68 Jul 21 #3

Please link to them all so I can read those as well. sheshe2 Jul 21 #5

Try google, it worked for me krawhitham Jul 21 #10

I'm pressed for time and you could certainly google the topic yourself, but I'll provide a few reliable links Martin68 Tuesday #23

None of those are authorities, let alone legal authorities like the ICJ. SunSeeker Wednesday #46

You clearly do not understand the meaning of the word "authority," but this is the answer I expected. Very Martin68 Wednesday #53

The issue is what consititutes genocide, which is a legal question, as it is a war crime. SunSeeker Wednesday #56

No, genocide as a concept is not only a legal question. You have chosen to limit your consideration of the term to Martin68 Thursday #58

Legal definitions control this issue. Making definitions up renders words meaningless. SunSeeker Thursday #59

You're referring back to a decision a year and a half ago, which of course ignores everything highplainsdem Jul 21 #6

This Johnny2X2X Jul 21 #7

Ethnic cleansing is not the same as genocide. SunSeeker Wednesday #47

There is no legal definition of ethnic cleansing. It is not recognized as an international crime. The only difference Martin68 Wednesday #55

Do tell. OilemFirchen Jul 21 #9

In 2024 they called the genocide claims "plausible" iemanja Tuesday #14

This is pure comedy gold. OilemFirchen Tuesday #30

Weird take that you find arguing over the deaths of a lot of people hilarious EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #34

And there it is. OilemFirchen Tuesday #39

So no you can't explain what's funny about this EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #52

That you consider any of this comedy iemanja Tuesday #37

Post removed Post removed Tuesday #41

And Israel is not Netanyahu... sheshe2 Tuesday #16

Netanyahu was elected by the people of Israel to, among other things, run the military. While individual Israelis are Martin68 Tuesday #25

I'm old enough to remember some being chided for using "Palestine" in lieu of "Hamas". OilemFirchen Tuesday #31

Heady days, yes indeed. sheshe2 Tuesday #35

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 21 #11

Then let Israel stand trial at the ICC iemanja Tuesday #13

By your own words: sheshe2 Tuesday #17

Mahalo, she, for pointing that out. Cha Tuesday #18

Thank you, Cha. sheshe2 Tuesday #19

I know how you feel.. Cha Tuesday #21

That was a "that was then" then. 🤣 OilemFirchen Tuesday #32

Rolling with the Punches.. mostly. Cha Tuesday #33

Nobody is saying to put random citizens on trial. Cuthbert Allgood Tuesday #24

The ICC tries individuals, not countries. lapucelle Wednesday #49

Aloha, Oilem... TY for this Cha Tuesday #20

There is a death camp being constructed in Rafah iemanja Tuesday #22

😪 annalog Tuesday #27

Thanks for the links. nt cliffside Tuesday #45

Rec. nt LexVegas Tuesday #26

All the Palestinian corpses are just collateral damage and unfortunate mistakes of a "Just War". Ping Tung Tuesday #28

The civilians are the targets iemanja Tuesday #38

I find it obscene that there are those that defend the murders, starvation, injuries, on innocent people. Ping Tung Tuesday #40

Israel has lost the PR war. Everything is forever changed. Duncan Grant Tuesday #36

Well said. H2O Man Tuesday #42

Man, I'd hate to be an Israeli. OilemFirchen Tuesday #43

No one is falling for this manipulative and ineffective rhetoric. Duncan Grant Tuesday #44

I disagree ILikePie92 Wednesday #51

I'm not sure if its genocide or not. Samael13 Wednesday #54

This is a creepy thread n/t leftstreet Wednesday #57