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31. This isn't the Confederate States of America

Wed Jul 23, 2025, 04:15 PM

Jul 23

Many if not most confederates were very distrustful of a strong central government, so Trump and co. taking over like this would be an anathema to them. Yeah the general stated belief of the MAGA crowd of getting the government out of our lives sort of corresponds to the mid 1800s Democratic Party's distrustful feelings toward consolidated power, but I don't think it's the same at all --- because the Trumpists DO want an imperial central state - just with themselves in charge. The Confederates really didn't, and there were even a couple of CSA states that threatened secession from the confederacy because it was too centralized in their view.

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Has America finally been defeated by the Confederacy? [View all] GoneOffShore Jul 23 OP

In my opinion atreides1 Jul 23 #1

It all started when in 2016 people couldn't agree Eliot Rosewater Jul 23 #2

It started far, far earlier than that LR3 Jul 23 #20

I agree but that's not what I was referring to Eliot Rosewater Jul 23 #35

Thus the Heritage Foundation... Kid Berwyn Jul 23 #3

They have been working on this since the 70s Blue Full Moon Jul 23 #36

My son says we're now The Confederacy of America. sinkingfeeling Jul 23 #4

That is what I have been thinking for a long time rurallib Jul 23 #5

And the Constitution was designed to protect the landowners and the slaveholders. GoneOffShore Jul 23 #10

The 'effin' rebs haven't beaten us yet. trump will pass... brush Jul 23 #6

I would differ with the Christian values part carpetbagger Jul 23 #7

This. Repeat as needed. Americans really don't know our own history, and the part religion has played in it... Hekate Jul 23 #13

I did put Christian values in quotes, so I am totally aware of the part that Christianity played GoneOffShore Jul 23 #15

What the fuck are we "united" under as Americans? We aren't united under jack-shit. Not even goddamn anti-"child rape"" SoFlaBro Jul 23 #8

You must be young Fiendish Thingy Jul 23 #9

Totally agree with you. And they're going to undo birthright citizenship. GoneOffShore Jul 23 #12

They will try to undo birthright citizenship, but they will fail. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 23 #16

Watch the video. They're going to try and may well succeed. GoneOffShore Jul 23 #17

I don't get my news from clickbait sources Fiendish Thingy Jul 23 #19

Stoermer is not 'click bait'. He's an accredited historian with a solid background. GoneOffShore Jul 23 #21

He is a content creator Fiendish Thingy Jul 23 #23

That path was opened by the last SC decision. GoneOffShore Jul 23 #27

An amendment is not a "precedent" Fiendish Thingy Jul 23 #30

Stoermer largely ignores the legal framework in favor of the political Fiendish Thingy Jul 23 #28

It's how they interepret the amendment that is the important bit. GoneOffShore Jul 23 #29

I can read plain English Fiendish Thingy Jul 23 #32

Continue believing that they won't dare. GoneOffShore Jul 23 #34

It's not a question of whether they won't dare Fiendish Thingy Jul 23 #37

We've heard talks of a 'Blue Tsunami' before, if Republicans did this or that. Haven't seen it materialize. GoneOffShore Jul 24 #38

The 1866 midterms put paid to Johnson's attempts to scupper Reconstruction. The Compromise of 1877 is what set in motion Celerity Jul 23 #26

No - they won the peace for 100 years JustAnotherGen Jul 23 #11

I wish that LBJ had done more. GoneOffShore Jul 23 #14

I'm speaking as a Black Woman born in 1973 JustAnotherGen Jul 23 #18

I don't denigrate what LBJ did. GoneOffShore Jul 23 #22

A Confederacy of Dunces maybe... Wounded Bear Jul 23 #24

Two book recommendations for you misanthrope Jul 23 #25

This isn't the Confederate States of America ITAL Jul 23 #31

Yes! SocialDemocrat61 Jul 23 #33