Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

emulatorloo

(46,113 posts)
41. Sounds like yr not aware of the investigation timeline. Here's a good summary:
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 09:48 AM
Jul 24
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20508429

For a year I've told DU detractors this, and I'll say it here again: AG Merrick Garland wasn't waiting.

Before ANY DOJ indictments can be made, a thorough investigation and collection of evidence must take place -- none of which DU'ers saw while it was happening.

Because the FBI is DOJ, Garland's FBI began arrests ON Jan 6 2021 -- two months before his confirmation -- and Garland DOJ convictions continued until the week after the 2024 election.

During the months of FBI arrest actions, Garland was prosecuting new AND outstanding cases,
all while trying to rebuild the Barr DOJ personnel, trying to place Senate confirmed assistant AG’s, deputies, and 8 Division heads. ANY delays in Senate confirmations in Garland’s first year were caused by Republicans, not Garland.

1. Again. Before Garland’s investigation and prosecutions work could begin...

Garland himself wasn't confirmed with Republican votes until TWO months after Biden's 2021 inauguration;
Republicans STILL made Garland wait months for his division heads' confirmations;
Republicans did not confirm Kenneth Polite to head the DOJ's Criminal Division until July 2021 -- SIX MONTHS after Biden's inauguration;
Because they knew the Criminal Division would handle both federal cases under Garland.

2. Here's the Garland DOJ evidence gathering timeline -- BEFORE Jack Smith made any indictments.

By January 6 2022 (10 months after his confirmation): Garland states:
“So far, we have
-- issued over 5,000 subpoenas and search warrants,
-- seized approximately 2,000 devices,
-- pored through over 20,000 hours of video footage, and
-- searched through an estimated 15 terabytes of data...
-- received over 300,000 tips from ordinary citizens, who have been our indispensable partners in this effort.”

Garland actions above contributed to Special Counsel investigations.
In other words, Garland handed off all the documents case evidence to Jack Smith.

Jan 2022
— 15 boxes found in the storage area
— the FBI found more than 11,000 government records at Maralago — of those
— 184 unique documents bearing classification markings, of those:
— 67 docs marked Confidential
— 92 docs marked Secret
— 25 docs marked Top Secret
markings reflected that docs were subject to sensitive compartments and dissemination controls
used to restrict access to material in the interest of national security, including
HCS(Humint Control system),
FISA(Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act),
ORCON (originator controlled),
NORORN (could be NOFORN, no foreign national), AND
SI(Special Intelligence)

May 2022
— The first 100 documents marked as classified totaled over 700 pages [National Archives letter to Trump attorney, May 10, 2022]
May 11 2022: Garland convenes four DOJ Grand juries, one for Jan 6 convened until March 2024 -- 6 months before Jack Smith walked in the door
— Grand Jury subpoenas Trump for documents

June 3 2022
— Trump lawyer hands over 40 boxes from Maralago storage room
— 38 docs marked Classified


June 3 2022:
Garland's DOJ Grand jury subpoenas Trump for remaining docs in Maralago;
lawyers for Trump "certify" that there were no more;
Trump stole 11,000 government docs, 300 classified docs — the Garland DOJ's FBI found more than Trump's lawyers certified as recovered.

July 22 2022: G
arland's Grand jury testimony by Marc Short, Mike Pence’s Chief of Staff, & Short's counsel Greg Jacob

August 8 2022
— FBI warrant search of Maralago
— 103 marked Classified
— 18 marked Top Secret

The law violated: —- 18 U.S.C. 793— Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information.
Penalty: Fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
More on the indictability of these stolen defense-classified documents:
https://www.justsecurity.org/83034/tracker-evidence-of-trumps-knowledge-and-involvement-in-retaining-mar-a-lago-documents/

Sept 2 2022:
Garland's Grand jury subpoenaed testimony by Pat Cipollone,
a) one of the participants in WH meeting Dec 18 2020, that included Giuliani, Powell, Flynn, Patrick Byrne of Overstock,
b) Cipollone sat in on Jan 3 2021 DOJ official meeting with Trump, and
c) Cipollone was in direct contact with trump on Jan 6 during capitol insurrection, and did nothing when Meadows told him Trump didn’t want to interfere with rioters calling for hanging Mike Pence)
AND with Patrick Philbin

Sept 15 2022:
Garland's Grand Jury subpoenas Mark Meadows for testimony and documents
the month of Sept 2022: Garland's DOJ issued over 40 subpoenas to people close to Trump, some of whom are
— Bill Stepien, DT’s campaign mgr; part of team to prevent certification
— Sean Dollman, DT’s campaign CFO
— Ben Williamson, Deputy of Mark Meadows,
— Boris Epshteyn, Trump's lawyer -- phone demanded; part of team to prevent certification
— Mike Lindell -- phone seized
— William Russell, WH special asst to Trump, THEN special aide to Trump in Mar-a-lago

Oct 6 2022: Garland's Grand jury calls back Greg Jacob
Oct 13 2022: Garland's Grand Jury calls back Marc Short, Pence's chief of staff

Nov 4 2022:
classified docs found in Biden’s
-- Wilmington home (garage, library), (no docs in Rehoboth beach home) and
-- Penn Biden Center in DC (Richard Sauber is spec counsel to Pres Biden)
Nov 14 2022: Garland asks John Lausch (Trump appointed US Atty, Chicago) to review found Biden documents

3. Nov 18 2022 Garland appoints Jack Smith (3 days after Trump announces his candidacy for 2024), who inherits the records of the Garland DOJ's work. Jack Smith took charge of over 20 Garland prosecutors and integrated his work into what was described as a 'fast moving investigation' which had already gathered more evidence than Mueller had.

By that very day, Nov 18 2022, Garland's DOJ had convicted more than 323 Jan 6 insurrectionists.

All of the above documents case evidence AND DC grand jury evidence gathered is what AG Merrick Garland and his DOJ did before Jack Smith.

Garland himself could not possibly know how long it would take SC Jack Smith's team to file indictments.

But the first documents case indictment was filed June 8 2023, based mostly on work previously done by Garland's Criminal Division/FBI investigators and grand juries.

For DU'ers triggered by the mention of Garland, this timeline of his work will forever remain the facts of Garland's Jan 6 investigations and evidence collections during his first 20 months in office... along with those DU’ers' willful ignorance of the fact of Garland's wisdom in choosing Jack Smith from the Hague as Special Counsel.

Recommendations

1 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Yes. Garland has no power now. Bondi is ruining lives NOW. Focus, folks. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 24 #1
The fact is, we would not be in this mess if Garland had done his real job, which was to uphold the law Escurumbele Jul 24 #38
The fact REALLY is that this is not true. ancianita Jul 24 #42
House Democrats were complaining MadameButterfly Jul 24 #53
"Things took off visibly, with great speed as soon as Jack Smith was appointed." Things took off invisibly, too. ancianita Jul 24 #55
I'm not blaming only Garland MadameButterfly Jul 24 #68
Fine. I strongly disagree. You can also take these informed opinions of judicial/legal experts over a year ago. ancianita Jul 24 #73
given when they got started MadameButterfly Jul 25 #93
So much bullshit. If Merrick the eek has taken charge of investgatng trump's J6... brush Jul 24 #56
Leave it to the historians. Picking those bones now doesn't help us deal with Blondi and tRump and Miller and .... . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 24 #50
Hey, we are experiencing a trauma and we shouldn't ask how we got here? MadameButterfly Jul 24 #69
Really? MorbidButterflyTat Jul 24 #66
Bolsonaro is on trial in Brazil MadameButterfly Jul 24 #71
Garland's Slothfulness Hitler Hater Jul 24 #74
Ummm kay. sheshe2 Jul 24 #82
Specifically, for example. marble falls Jul 25 #94
Thank you! GoCubsGo Jul 24 #2
Good point malaise Jul 24 #3
Not to mention the Supreme Court, who declared Trump the King of the USA emulatorloo Jul 24 #26
There was an opportunity, but the SC was not enlarged when calls went out. Abstractartist Jul 24 #36
There were not enough votes in Congress to expand the SC. emulatorloo Jul 24 #37
Yeah we can thank Manchin and Sinema for that yliza Jul 24 #67
I wonder if McConnell regrets MadameButterfly Jul 24 #72
We should refrain from attacking her until her "torn cornea" "heals." Orrex Jul 24 #4
Wish we had a ROFLMAO button! nt Trueblue Texan Jul 24 #14
Not praying for her to achieve wokeness through total blindness? littlemissmartypants Jul 24 #29
did she get into some kind of cat fight? RussBLib Jul 24 #70
Good one Orrex. Buddyzbuddy Jul 24 #87
There is much BigMin28 Jul 24 #5
Forget the media. bdamomma Jul 24 #8
The media is a huge part of our problem by both sidesing GOP extremism for decades LymphocyteLover Jul 24 #20
Media, the WWW, AI... littlemissmartypants Jul 24 #31
Haha! LymphocyteLover Jul 24 #58
❤️ littlemissmartypants Jul 24 #62
They haven't bdamomma Jul 24 #63
This is a political schism bucolic_frolic Jul 24 #6
Did you read The Holcroft Covenant? littlemissmartypants Jul 24 #34
yes bucolic_frolic Jul 24 #35
Garland is gone bdamomma Jul 24 #7
Merrick Garland was probably gab13by13 Jul 24 #9
Bwahahahhahahahahahhshfkajjs Hornedfrog2000 Jul 24 #19
I assume you are being sarcastic but Garland was not nearly as much of a problem as SCOTUS LymphocyteLover Jul 24 #23
I see what you did there! Bettie Jul 24 #25
She is also telling a crime suspect the details of the investigation. Irish_Dem Jul 24 #10
Correct malaise Jul 24 #11
It's not proper NJCher Jul 24 #24
Watergate was a horrible bag job by two bit morons who thought they were clever Javaman Jul 24 #12
For Watergate, it wasn't the crime ... it was the cover-up that involved a President FakeNoose Jul 24 #84
Only because it never went to impeachment. Javaman Jul 24 #85
I don't even like to see a comparison of Watergate and this administration. Trueblue Texan Jul 24 #13
Thank you. Joinfortmill Jul 24 #15
What a lot of us are saying is that if Merrick Garland had acted more forcefully and with... Ol Janx Spirit Jul 24 #16
Sounds like yr not aware of the investigation timeline. Here's a good summary: emulatorloo Jul 24 #41
I'm fully aware of the timeline. Ol Janx Spirit Jul 24 #43
Wonderful! emulatorloo Jul 24 #44
Then feel free to be fact free and wrong. ancianita Jul 24 #47
Fuck Bondi. Fuck Garland. There...easy. nt LexVegas Jul 24 #17
Learn from the past - don't complain and whine about it. Pretty sure it can't be changed. NoMoreRepugs Jul 24 #18
The damage Garland left behind cannot be changed, but that does not mean we should forget, on the contrary, Escurumbele Jul 24 #39
Exactly, "learn" from the past. NoMoreRepugs Jul 24 #89
Nothing to do with Bondi's execrable behavior Akakoji Jul 24 #21
Bondi is terrible, she's the worst combination of Bettie Jul 24 #22
AOC for next AC Bluestocking Jul 24 #27
The DOJ role of Attorney General has traditionally been filled by attorneys due to its legal responsibilities. ancianita Jul 24 #48
I like AOC, but seriously? She isn't even a lawyer! n/t markpkessinger Jul 24 #78
It took Garland 4 days gab13by13 Jul 24 #28
No doubt but right now this bunch are on the back foot malaise Jul 24 #30
Yes the current AG is a POS and has great power but... yourout Jul 24 #32
amen bigtree Jul 24 #33
The fact that the current AG is Trump's lapdog... Happy Hoosier Jul 24 #40
Yes, she is. And no, ancianita Jul 24 #49
It has to be one or the other? BannonsLiver Jul 24 #45
Valid point malaise Jul 24 #52
"A plague on both their houses" talk is simple minded bothsider bullshit. See my 3rd post in the thread (#42) ancianita Jul 24 #46
I hope they all go to hell. OLDMDDEM Jul 24 #51
No need to worry about Garland. Back at Arnold & Porter. JanMichael Jul 24 #54
That still doesn't Faux pas Jul 24 #57
I misread your post as "white folks continue to attack Garland" senseandsensibility Jul 24 #59
That would be fresh hell malaise Jul 24 #61
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 24 #60
It would be monstrously funny swong19104 Jul 24 #64
People connected to Epstein are highly motivated. Not just the law, but wives, family, friends, entire life reputation RoeVWade Jul 24 #65
I expect Bondi to protect Trump. With her, it isn't so surprising. nt Gore1FL Jul 24 #75
Thank you for steering toward the real problem we might actually do something about Hassler Jul 24 #76
This makes Watergate look like slipping a Hershey bar into your pocket at a 7-11. Pacifist Patriot Jul 24 #77
Well, I will venture to say that we can definitely attack Garland AND Bondi at the same time. PatrickforB Jul 24 #79
Seriously with Garland? JustAnotherGen Jul 24 #80
Your statement is true, as are many people have made about Garland. It's not either/or. That said, though, you are Karasu Jul 24 #81
I can multi-task Skittles Jul 24 #83
+10000 Karasu Jul 24 #88
. iemanja Jul 24 #86
From a laymans perspective Buddyzbuddy Jul 24 #90
Covering up lies is obviously her primary duty and mandate which is executed with every breath she takes. msfiddlestix Jul 24 #91
Yes, it is worse than Watergate. slightlv Jul 24 #92
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»While folks continue to a...»Reply #41