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In reply to the discussion: While folks continue to attack Garland [View all]emulatorloo
(46,113 posts)41. Sounds like yr not aware of the investigation timeline. Here's a good summary:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20508429
For a year I've told DU detractors this, and I'll say it here again: AG Merrick Garland wasn't waiting.
Before ANY DOJ indictments can be made, a thorough investigation and collection of evidence must take place -- none of which DU'ers saw while it was happening.
Because the FBI is DOJ, Garland's FBI began arrests ON Jan 6 2021 -- two months before his confirmation -- and Garland DOJ convictions continued until the week after the 2024 election.
During the months of FBI arrest actions, Garland was prosecuting new AND outstanding cases,
all while trying to rebuild the Barr DOJ personnel, trying to place Senate confirmed assistant AGs, deputies, and 8 Division heads. ANY delays in Senate confirmations in Garlands first year were caused by Republicans, not Garland.
1. Again. Before Garlands investigation and prosecutions work could begin...
Garland himself wasn't confirmed with Republican votes until TWO months after Biden's 2021 inauguration;
Republicans STILL made Garland wait months for his division heads' confirmations;
Republicans did not confirm Kenneth Polite to head the DOJ's Criminal Division until July 2021 -- SIX MONTHS after Biden's inauguration;
Because they knew the Criminal Division would handle both federal cases under Garland.
2. Here's the Garland DOJ evidence gathering timeline -- BEFORE Jack Smith made any indictments.
By January 6 2022 (10 months after his confirmation): Garland states:
So far, we have
-- issued over 5,000 subpoenas and search warrants,
-- seized approximately 2,000 devices,
-- pored through over 20,000 hours of video footage, and
-- searched through an estimated 15 terabytes of data...
-- received over 300,000 tips from ordinary citizens, who have been our indispensable partners in this effort.
Garland actions above contributed to Special Counsel investigations.
In other words, Garland handed off all the documents case evidence to Jack Smith.
Jan 2022
15 boxes found in the storage area
the FBI found more than 11,000 government records at Maralago of those
184 unique documents bearing classification markings, of those:
67 docs marked Confidential
92 docs marked Secret
25 docs marked Top Secret
markings reflected that docs were subject to sensitive compartments and dissemination controls
used to restrict access to material in the interest of national security, including
HCS(Humint Control system),
FISA(Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act),
ORCON (originator controlled),
NORORN (could be NOFORN, no foreign national), AND
SI(Special Intelligence)
May 2022
The first 100 documents marked as classified totaled over 700 pages [National Archives letter to Trump attorney, May 10, 2022]
May 11 2022: Garland convenes four DOJ Grand juries, one for Jan 6 convened until March 2024 -- 6 months before Jack Smith walked in the door
Grand Jury subpoenas Trump for documents
June 3 2022
Trump lawyer hands over 40 boxes from Maralago storage room
38 docs marked Classified
June 3 2022:
Garland's DOJ Grand jury subpoenas Trump for remaining docs in Maralago;
lawyers for Trump "certify" that there were no more;
Trump stole 11,000 government docs, 300 classified docs the Garland DOJ's FBI found more than Trump's lawyers certified as recovered.
July 22 2022: G
arland's Grand jury testimony by Marc Short, Mike Pences Chief of Staff, & Short's counsel Greg Jacob
August 8 2022
FBI warrant search of Maralago
103 marked Classified
18 marked Top Secret
The law violated: - 18 U.S.C. 793 Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information.
Penalty: Fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
More on the indictability of these stolen defense-classified documents:
https://www.justsecurity.org/83034/tracker-evidence-of-trumps-knowledge-and-involvement-in-retaining-mar-a-lago-documents/
Sept 2 2022:
Garland's Grand jury subpoenaed testimony by Pat Cipollone,
a) one of the participants in WH meeting Dec 18 2020, that included Giuliani, Powell, Flynn, Patrick Byrne of Overstock,
b) Cipollone sat in on Jan 3 2021 DOJ official meeting with Trump, and
c) Cipollone was in direct contact with trump on Jan 6 during capitol insurrection, and did nothing when Meadows told him Trump didnt want to interfere with rioters calling for hanging Mike Pence)
AND with Patrick Philbin
Sept 15 2022:
Garland's Grand Jury subpoenas Mark Meadows for testimony and documents
the month of Sept 2022: Garland's DOJ issued over 40 subpoenas to people close to Trump, some of whom are
Bill Stepien, DTs campaign mgr; part of team to prevent certification
Sean Dollman, DTs campaign CFO
Ben Williamson, Deputy of Mark Meadows,
Boris Epshteyn, Trump's lawyer -- phone demanded; part of team to prevent certification
Mike Lindell -- phone seized
William Russell, WH special asst to Trump, THEN special aide to Trump in Mar-a-lago
Oct 6 2022: Garland's Grand jury calls back Greg Jacob
Oct 13 2022: Garland's Grand Jury calls back Marc Short, Pence's chief of staff
Nov 4 2022:
classified docs found in Bidens
-- Wilmington home (garage, library), (no docs in Rehoboth beach home) and
-- Penn Biden Center in DC (Richard Sauber is spec counsel to Pres Biden)
Nov 14 2022: Garland asks John Lausch (Trump appointed US Atty, Chicago) to review found Biden documents
3. Nov 18 2022 Garland appoints Jack Smith (3 days after Trump announces his candidacy for 2024), who inherits the records of the Garland DOJ's work. Jack Smith took charge of over 20 Garland prosecutors and integrated his work into what was described as a 'fast moving investigation' which had already gathered more evidence than Mueller had.
By that very day, Nov 18 2022, Garland's DOJ had convicted more than 323 Jan 6 insurrectionists.
All of the above documents case evidence AND DC grand jury evidence gathered is what AG Merrick Garland and his DOJ did before Jack Smith.
Garland himself could not possibly know how long it would take SC Jack Smith's team to file indictments.
But the first documents case indictment was filed June 8 2023, based mostly on work previously done by Garland's Criminal Division/FBI investigators and grand juries.
For DU'ers triggered by the mention of Garland, this timeline of his work will forever remain the facts of Garland's Jan 6 investigations and evidence collections during his first 20 months in office... along with those DUers' willful ignorance of the fact of Garland's wisdom in choosing Jack Smith from the Hague as Special Counsel.
Before ANY DOJ indictments can be made, a thorough investigation and collection of evidence must take place -- none of which DU'ers saw while it was happening.
Because the FBI is DOJ, Garland's FBI began arrests ON Jan 6 2021 -- two months before his confirmation -- and Garland DOJ convictions continued until the week after the 2024 election.
During the months of FBI arrest actions, Garland was prosecuting new AND outstanding cases,
all while trying to rebuild the Barr DOJ personnel, trying to place Senate confirmed assistant AGs, deputies, and 8 Division heads. ANY delays in Senate confirmations in Garlands first year were caused by Republicans, not Garland.
1. Again. Before Garlands investigation and prosecutions work could begin...
Garland himself wasn't confirmed with Republican votes until TWO months after Biden's 2021 inauguration;
Republicans STILL made Garland wait months for his division heads' confirmations;
Republicans did not confirm Kenneth Polite to head the DOJ's Criminal Division until July 2021 -- SIX MONTHS after Biden's inauguration;
Because they knew the Criminal Division would handle both federal cases under Garland.
2. Here's the Garland DOJ evidence gathering timeline -- BEFORE Jack Smith made any indictments.
By January 6 2022 (10 months after his confirmation): Garland states:
So far, we have
-- issued over 5,000 subpoenas and search warrants,
-- seized approximately 2,000 devices,
-- pored through over 20,000 hours of video footage, and
-- searched through an estimated 15 terabytes of data...
-- received over 300,000 tips from ordinary citizens, who have been our indispensable partners in this effort.
Garland actions above contributed to Special Counsel investigations.
In other words, Garland handed off all the documents case evidence to Jack Smith.
Jan 2022
15 boxes found in the storage area
the FBI found more than 11,000 government records at Maralago of those
184 unique documents bearing classification markings, of those:
67 docs marked Confidential
92 docs marked Secret
25 docs marked Top Secret
markings reflected that docs were subject to sensitive compartments and dissemination controls
used to restrict access to material in the interest of national security, including
HCS(Humint Control system),
FISA(Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act),
ORCON (originator controlled),
NORORN (could be NOFORN, no foreign national), AND
SI(Special Intelligence)
May 2022
The first 100 documents marked as classified totaled over 700 pages [National Archives letter to Trump attorney, May 10, 2022]
May 11 2022: Garland convenes four DOJ Grand juries, one for Jan 6 convened until March 2024 -- 6 months before Jack Smith walked in the door
Grand Jury subpoenas Trump for documents
June 3 2022
Trump lawyer hands over 40 boxes from Maralago storage room
38 docs marked Classified
June 3 2022:
Garland's DOJ Grand jury subpoenas Trump for remaining docs in Maralago;
lawyers for Trump "certify" that there were no more;
Trump stole 11,000 government docs, 300 classified docs the Garland DOJ's FBI found more than Trump's lawyers certified as recovered.
July 22 2022: G
arland's Grand jury testimony by Marc Short, Mike Pences Chief of Staff, & Short's counsel Greg Jacob
August 8 2022
FBI warrant search of Maralago
103 marked Classified
18 marked Top Secret
The law violated: - 18 U.S.C. 793 Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information.
Penalty: Fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
More on the indictability of these stolen defense-classified documents:
https://www.justsecurity.org/83034/tracker-evidence-of-trumps-knowledge-and-involvement-in-retaining-mar-a-lago-documents/
Sept 2 2022:
Garland's Grand jury subpoenaed testimony by Pat Cipollone,
a) one of the participants in WH meeting Dec 18 2020, that included Giuliani, Powell, Flynn, Patrick Byrne of Overstock,
b) Cipollone sat in on Jan 3 2021 DOJ official meeting with Trump, and
c) Cipollone was in direct contact with trump on Jan 6 during capitol insurrection, and did nothing when Meadows told him Trump didnt want to interfere with rioters calling for hanging Mike Pence)
AND with Patrick Philbin
Sept 15 2022:
Garland's Grand Jury subpoenas Mark Meadows for testimony and documents
the month of Sept 2022: Garland's DOJ issued over 40 subpoenas to people close to Trump, some of whom are
Bill Stepien, DTs campaign mgr; part of team to prevent certification
Sean Dollman, DTs campaign CFO
Ben Williamson, Deputy of Mark Meadows,
Boris Epshteyn, Trump's lawyer -- phone demanded; part of team to prevent certification
Mike Lindell -- phone seized
William Russell, WH special asst to Trump, THEN special aide to Trump in Mar-a-lago
Oct 6 2022: Garland's Grand jury calls back Greg Jacob
Oct 13 2022: Garland's Grand Jury calls back Marc Short, Pence's chief of staff
Nov 4 2022:
classified docs found in Bidens
-- Wilmington home (garage, library), (no docs in Rehoboth beach home) and
-- Penn Biden Center in DC (Richard Sauber is spec counsel to Pres Biden)
Nov 14 2022: Garland asks John Lausch (Trump appointed US Atty, Chicago) to review found Biden documents
3. Nov 18 2022 Garland appoints Jack Smith (3 days after Trump announces his candidacy for 2024), who inherits the records of the Garland DOJ's work. Jack Smith took charge of over 20 Garland prosecutors and integrated his work into what was described as a 'fast moving investigation' which had already gathered more evidence than Mueller had.
By that very day, Nov 18 2022, Garland's DOJ had convicted more than 323 Jan 6 insurrectionists.
All of the above documents case evidence AND DC grand jury evidence gathered is what AG Merrick Garland and his DOJ did before Jack Smith.
Garland himself could not possibly know how long it would take SC Jack Smith's team to file indictments.
But the first documents case indictment was filed June 8 2023, based mostly on work previously done by Garland's Criminal Division/FBI investigators and grand juries.
For DU'ers triggered by the mention of Garland, this timeline of his work will forever remain the facts of Garland's Jan 6 investigations and evidence collections during his first 20 months in office... along with those DUers' willful ignorance of the fact of Garland's wisdom in choosing Jack Smith from the Hague as Special Counsel.
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Yes. Garland has no power now. Bondi is ruining lives NOW. Focus, folks. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 24
#1
The fact is, we would not be in this mess if Garland had done his real job, which was to uphold the law
Escurumbele
Jul 24
#38
"Things took off visibly, with great speed as soon as Jack Smith was appointed." Things took off invisibly, too.
ancianita
Jul 24
#55
Fine. I strongly disagree. You can also take these informed opinions of judicial/legal experts over a year ago.
ancianita
Jul 24
#73
Leave it to the historians. Picking those bones now doesn't help us deal with Blondi and tRump and Miller and .... . .nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 24
#50
There was an opportunity, but the SC was not enlarged when calls went out.
Abstractartist
Jul 24
#36
The media is a huge part of our problem by both sidesing GOP extremism for decades
LymphocyteLover
Jul 24
#20
I assume you are being sarcastic but Garland was not nearly as much of a problem as SCOTUS
LymphocyteLover
Jul 24
#23
For Watergate, it wasn't the crime ... it was the cover-up that involved a President
FakeNoose
Jul 24
#84
I don't even like to see a comparison of Watergate and this administration.
Trueblue Texan
Jul 24
#13
What a lot of us are saying is that if Merrick Garland had acted more forcefully and with...
Ol Janx Spirit
Jul 24
#16
Sounds like yr not aware of the investigation timeline. Here's a good summary:
emulatorloo
Jul 24
#41
Learn from the past - don't complain and whine about it. Pretty sure it can't be changed.
NoMoreRepugs
Jul 24
#18
The damage Garland left behind cannot be changed, but that does not mean we should forget, on the contrary,
Escurumbele
Jul 24
#39
The DOJ role of Attorney General has traditionally been filled by attorneys due to its legal responsibilities.
ancianita
Jul 24
#48
"A plague on both their houses" talk is simple minded bothsider bullshit. See my 3rd post in the thread (#42)
ancianita
Jul 24
#46
People connected to Epstein are highly motivated. Not just the law, but wives, family, friends, entire life reputation
RoeVWade
Jul 24
#65
Thank you for steering toward the real problem we might actually do something about
Hassler
Jul 24
#76
This makes Watergate look like slipping a Hershey bar into your pocket at a 7-11.
Pacifist Patriot
Jul 24
#77
Well, I will venture to say that we can definitely attack Garland AND Bondi at the same time.
PatrickforB
Jul 24
#79
Your statement is true, as are many people have made about Garland. It's not either/or. That said, though, you are
Karasu
Jul 24
#81