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WhiteTara

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4. to some, yes. Only total loyalty to Israel is accepted.

Reply to LymphocyteLover (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 29, 2025, 01:59 PM

Jul 29

Personally, I think it is factual, and I'm saddened by the victims becoming the perpetrators.

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Holocaust inversion and secondary or soft antisemitism are nothing new. [View all] LexVegas Jul 29 OP

It's amazing JustAnotherGen Jul 29 #1

so is accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza "Antisemitism"? LymphocyteLover Jul 29 #2

to some, yes. Only total loyalty to Israel is accepted. WhiteTara Jul 29 #4

Genocide claims require specific intent, dolus specialis. Mosby Jul 29 #5

Israel long since went past defending themselves EdmondDantes_ Jul 29 #7

So starving only SOME Palestinians - not most - is proof of no genocidal intent? AloeVera Jul 29 #10

Reply Mosby Jul 29 #21

I skimmed thru all that. Geez. Why do I bother???? AloeVera Jul 29 #24

I am not going through this ridiculous post in its entirety, but I can't resist this one: Beastly Boy Jul 29 #25

If you keep dropping a hot skillet on your toe, yes EdmondDantes_ Jul 29 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 29 #29

Why ignore the Revised Charter of 2017? AloeVera Jul 29 #30

That's not the definition of an occupying power. lapucelle Jul 29 #32

And as long as we're discussing definitions, what does "No one is going to rid Israel of Jews" mean? lapucelle Jul 29 #33

And as for "quibbling" over definitions... lapucelle Jul 29 #36

No, starvation in times of war is not in itself proof of genocidal intent. Beastly Boy Jul 29 #22

As in the case of defining genocide itself, intent is key. Beastly Boy Jul 29 #6

As Jon Stewart recently put it LymphocyteLover Jul 29 #16

What a coincidence. I was just watching that when I read your post vanessa_ca Jul 29 #19

Did anything I posted remind you of being told to shut up? Beastly Boy Jul 29 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 29 #8

Thank goodness they're not also jailed, deported, fired from faculty, stripped of degrees and even green cards AloeVera Jul 29 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 29 #34

Here's what the judge had to say: lapucelle Jul 29 #37

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The judge saw it differently. lapucelle Jul 30 #40

excluded by the univ administration? LymphocyteLover Jul 30 #46

Yes. The court ruled that in allowing Jewish students to be denied services available to other students, UCLA lapucelle Jul 30 #49

Thanks! LymphocyteLover Jul 30 #52

I read the article from the Daily Bruin and the case is quite complex. I didn't see specific examples of what LymphocyteLover Jul 31 #94

Jewish students were denied access to parts of the campus. lapucelle Jul 31 #95

All Federal grants to UCLA now suspended LymphocyteLover Aug 1 #107

I blame both the Trump administration and the students who engaged in anti-Semitism. lapucelle Aug 1 #108

OK, thanks for your thoughtful response. Still, it's clear the whole uproar about these protests greatly aided tRump and LymphocyteLover Aug 1 #109

It was the anti-Semitism extant at the UCLA protests that greatly aided Trump lapucelle Aug 1 #110

And it wasn't a brief that I quoted. It was a federal judge's ruling. N/T lapucelle Jul 31 #96

It's no big deal "only having to go AROUND"? sarisataka Jul 30 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 30 #43

There's a trial balloon for an upcoming inversion in there as well. lapucelle Jul 30 #47

This! mcar Jul 30 #64

Wow, well said. sheshe2 Jul 30 #68

Except JustAnotherGen Jul 30 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author AloeVera Jul 30 #69

I can't imagine saying... lapucelle Jul 30 #41

Boom! JustAnotherGen Jul 30 #61

Right? mcar Jul 30 #65

It's mind boggling JustAnotherGen Jul 31 #81

Blaming every Jewish person for what Israel is doing is antisemitic. yardwork Jul 29 #11

I agree mostly, with some questions thought crime Jul 29 #14

Blaming the Israeli government is not antisemitic. yardwork Jul 29 #15

Because Isreal is starving two million people in front of our eyes 👀 questionseverything Jul 29 #26

It is not deniable or excusable. yardwork Jul 29 #28

Genocide at our southern border? Some people are close to saying so. thought crime Jul 29 #39

What we are seeing quite a bit of is the terms "Israel", "Zionist" and "Jewish" being used synonymously sarisataka Jul 29 #18

Yes. Exactly. yardwork Jul 29 #27

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I know where they're getting their information. yardwork Jul 29 #12

do you have any specific examples of that? LymphocyteLover Jul 29 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 29 #20

Thanks. 2023! Yikes. LymphocyteLover Jul 30 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 30 #48

But Israel... sarisataka Jul 29 #9

Here is a thoughtful explanation about the cycle of anti_Semitism OilemFirchen Jul 29 #13

There certainly is genocide enablement iemanja Jul 30 #44

Yes. Those celebrations in NYC on October 8, 2023 were disgusting. lapucelle Jul 30 #50

I was thinking of these lives iemanja Jul 30 #51

... lapucelle Jul 30 #53

denial iemanja Jul 30 #54

I'm not in denial about Hamas's propaganda machine or the extremist groups that stoke it. lapucelle Jul 30 #56

Those freedom fighters have, perhaps, the greatest propaganda machine in history. nt LexVegas Jul 30 #57

It's not Hamas, it's international food security experts iemanja Jul 30 #62

"the country you defend more than your own" lapucelle Jul 30 #63

You are absolutely correct Jenanja Avalon Sparks Jul 30 #75

It's a transparent ploy iemanja Jul 31 #78

100% agree! Avalon Sparks Jul 31 #79

So he's in Italy? JustAnotherGen Jul 31 #84

Indeed he is in Italy being treated. lapucelle Jul 31 #86

Advocating that the government of Israel should stop killing and starving civilians equals soft antisemitism? LudwigPastorius Jul 30 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 30 #58

Sure, it's completely and utterly unrelated to anything else EdmondDantes_ Jul 30 #67

"that silly term"...there it is. nt LexVegas Jul 30 #70

Antisemitism is now a "silly term" sarisataka Jul 30 #72

Remember, there is no antisemitism on the left. nt LexVegas Jul 30 #74

Yes it's a silly term EdmondDantes_ Jul 30 #73

Actually JustAnotherGen Jul 31 #82

That's still not an evidence based or philosophy based defense of Holocaust inversion as a thing EdmondDantes_ Jul 31 #85

Just don't include Slavery in the Equation JustAnotherGen Jul 31 #89

Thanks for the clarification. I missed the reference to slavery. thought crime Aug 1 #103

I didn't put the card on the table JustAnotherGen Aug 1 #106

Just saying JustAnotherGen Aug 1 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author Avalon Sparks Jul 31 #76

Antisemitism is a "silly term?" mcar Jul 31 #87

no Holocaust inversion is a silly term EdmondDantes_ Jul 31 #90

Ever wondered why Israel has had impunity for any and all its crimes? AloeVera Jul 30 #71

That's your choice Mossfern Jul 31 #77

Now that seventeen more countries plus the European Union and Arab League lapucelle Jul 30 #59

Finally! mcar Jul 30 #66

Mahlao, lapucelle.. You are such a Cha Jul 31 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 31 #101

I'd condemn anyone who's deliberately murdered tens of thousands of civilians Orrex Jul 31 #83

Spare me. ShadesOfBlue Jul 31 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 31 #91

LOL That's what I thought too! n/t Just_Vote_Dem Jul 31 #92

Notice the number of posts ... Mossfern Jul 31 #93

And the length of membership... lapucelle Jul 31 #97

Sleeping beauty, eh? Hekate Jul 31 #98

... lapucelle Jul 31 #102

That's a question that remains to be seen. Oopsie Daisy Jul 31 #100

Hopefully that was sarcasm. thought crime Aug 1 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Aug 1 #111

Pox on Both Hamas and Baby Yahoo. Defending and rationalizing any of this is beyond Insane msfiddlestix Jul 31 #99