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AloeVera

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30. Why ignore the Revised Charter of 2017?

Tue Jul 29, 2025, 09:05 PM

Jul 29

Written 30 years after the original, it presented significant moderation. Gone was the Koranic reference to "the Jew hiding behind the tree. Kill him (is this the "killing of all Jews in the world?). Gone was the "Israel exists and shall continue to exist until Islam obliterates it" roughly quoted.

But what was new and significant was the declaration that Hamas could get a national concensus on the 1967 borders. In essence giving up the right of return and settling for the 22% of historic Palestine (far less than allocated under the Partition) those borders represented. It was a remarkable concession.

What did Netanyahu do? Completely ignored it. Continued the blockade of Gaza and the settlement expansions.It didn't fit his plans.

Those plans becoming clear yet?

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Holocaust inversion and secondary or soft antisemitism are nothing new. [View all] LexVegas Jul 29 OP

It's amazing JustAnotherGen Jul 29 #1

so is accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza "Antisemitism"? LymphocyteLover Jul 29 #2

to some, yes. Only total loyalty to Israel is accepted. WhiteTara Jul 29 #4

Genocide claims require specific intent, dolus specialis. Mosby Jul 29 #5

Israel long since went past defending themselves EdmondDantes_ Jul 29 #7

So starving only SOME Palestinians - not most - is proof of no genocidal intent? AloeVera Jul 29 #10

Reply Mosby Jul 29 #21

I skimmed thru all that. Geez. Why do I bother???? AloeVera Jul 29 #24

I am not going through this ridiculous post in its entirety, but I can't resist this one: Beastly Boy Jul 29 #25

If you keep dropping a hot skillet on your toe, yes EdmondDantes_ Jul 29 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 29 #29

Why ignore the Revised Charter of 2017? AloeVera Jul 29 #30

That's not the definition of an occupying power. lapucelle Jul 29 #32

And as long as we're discussing definitions, what does "No one is going to rid Israel of Jews" mean? lapucelle Jul 29 #33

And as for "quibbling" over definitions... lapucelle Jul 29 #36

No, starvation in times of war is not in itself proof of genocidal intent. Beastly Boy Jul 29 #22

As in the case of defining genocide itself, intent is key. Beastly Boy Jul 29 #6

As Jon Stewart recently put it LymphocyteLover Jul 29 #16

What a coincidence. I was just watching that when I read your post vanessa_ca Jul 29 #19

Did anything I posted remind you of being told to shut up? Beastly Boy Jul 29 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 29 #8

Thank goodness they're not also jailed, deported, fired from faculty, stripped of degrees and even green cards AloeVera Jul 29 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 29 #34

Here's what the judge had to say: lapucelle Jul 29 #37

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The judge saw it differently. lapucelle Jul 30 #40

excluded by the univ administration? LymphocyteLover Jul 30 #46

Yes. The court ruled that in allowing Jewish students to be denied services available to other students, UCLA lapucelle Jul 30 #49

Thanks! LymphocyteLover Jul 30 #52

I read the article from the Daily Bruin and the case is quite complex. I didn't see specific examples of what LymphocyteLover Jul 31 #94

Jewish students were denied access to parts of the campus. lapucelle Jul 31 #95

All Federal grants to UCLA now suspended LymphocyteLover Aug 1 #107

I blame both the Trump administration and the students who engaged in anti-Semitism. lapucelle Aug 1 #108

OK, thanks for your thoughtful response. Still, it's clear the whole uproar about these protests greatly aided tRump and LymphocyteLover Aug 1 #109

It was the anti-Semitism extant at the UCLA protests that greatly aided Trump lapucelle Aug 1 #110

And it wasn't a brief that I quoted. It was a federal judge's ruling. N/T lapucelle Jul 31 #96

It's no big deal "only having to go AROUND"? sarisataka Jul 30 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 30 #43

There's a trial balloon for an upcoming inversion in there as well. lapucelle Jul 30 #47

This! mcar Jul 30 #64

Wow, well said. sheshe2 Jul 30 #68

Except JustAnotherGen Jul 30 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author AloeVera Jul 30 #69

I can't imagine saying... lapucelle Jul 30 #41

Boom! JustAnotherGen Jul 30 #61

Right? mcar Jul 30 #65

It's mind boggling JustAnotherGen Jul 31 #81

Blaming every Jewish person for what Israel is doing is antisemitic. yardwork Jul 29 #11

I agree mostly, with some questions thought crime Jul 29 #14

Blaming the Israeli government is not antisemitic. yardwork Jul 29 #15

Because Isreal is starving two million people in front of our eyes 👀 questionseverything Jul 29 #26

It is not deniable or excusable. yardwork Jul 29 #28

Genocide at our southern border? Some people are close to saying so. thought crime Jul 29 #39

What we are seeing quite a bit of is the terms "Israel", "Zionist" and "Jewish" being used synonymously sarisataka Jul 29 #18

Yes. Exactly. yardwork Jul 29 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 29 #3

I know where they're getting their information. yardwork Jul 29 #12

do you have any specific examples of that? LymphocyteLover Jul 29 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 29 #20

Thanks. 2023! Yikes. LymphocyteLover Jul 30 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 30 #48

But Israel... sarisataka Jul 29 #9

Here is a thoughtful explanation about the cycle of anti_Semitism OilemFirchen Jul 29 #13

There certainly is genocide enablement iemanja Jul 30 #44

Yes. Those celebrations in NYC on October 8, 2023 were disgusting. lapucelle Jul 30 #50

I was thinking of these lives iemanja Jul 30 #51

... lapucelle Jul 30 #53

denial iemanja Jul 30 #54

I'm not in denial about Hamas's propaganda machine or the extremist groups that stoke it. lapucelle Jul 30 #56

Those freedom fighters have, perhaps, the greatest propaganda machine in history. nt LexVegas Jul 30 #57

It's not Hamas, it's international food security experts iemanja Jul 30 #62

"the country you defend more than your own" lapucelle Jul 30 #63

You are absolutely correct Jenanja Avalon Sparks Jul 30 #75

It's a transparent ploy iemanja Jul 31 #78

100% agree! Avalon Sparks Jul 31 #79

So he's in Italy? JustAnotherGen Jul 31 #84

Indeed he is in Italy being treated. lapucelle Jul 31 #86

Advocating that the government of Israel should stop killing and starving civilians equals soft antisemitism? LudwigPastorius Jul 30 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 30 #58

Sure, it's completely and utterly unrelated to anything else EdmondDantes_ Jul 30 #67

"that silly term"...there it is. nt LexVegas Jul 30 #70

Antisemitism is now a "silly term" sarisataka Jul 30 #72

Remember, there is no antisemitism on the left. nt LexVegas Jul 30 #74

Yes it's a silly term EdmondDantes_ Jul 30 #73

Actually JustAnotherGen Jul 31 #82

That's still not an evidence based or philosophy based defense of Holocaust inversion as a thing EdmondDantes_ Jul 31 #85

Just don't include Slavery in the Equation JustAnotherGen Jul 31 #89

Thanks for the clarification. I missed the reference to slavery. thought crime Aug 1 #103

I didn't put the card on the table JustAnotherGen Aug 1 #106

Just saying JustAnotherGen Aug 1 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author Avalon Sparks Jul 31 #76

Antisemitism is a "silly term?" mcar Jul 31 #87

no Holocaust inversion is a silly term EdmondDantes_ Jul 31 #90

Ever wondered why Israel has had impunity for any and all its crimes? AloeVera Jul 30 #71

That's your choice Mossfern Jul 31 #77

Now that seventeen more countries plus the European Union and Arab League lapucelle Jul 30 #59

Finally! mcar Jul 30 #66

Mahlao, lapucelle.. You are such a Cha Jul 31 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 31 #101

I'd condemn anyone who's deliberately murdered tens of thousands of civilians Orrex Jul 31 #83

Spare me. ShadesOfBlue Jul 31 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 31 #91

LOL That's what I thought too! n/t Just_Vote_Dem Jul 31 #92

Notice the number of posts ... Mossfern Jul 31 #93

And the length of membership... lapucelle Jul 31 #97

Sleeping beauty, eh? Hekate Jul 31 #98

... lapucelle Jul 31 #102

That's a question that remains to be seen. Oopsie Daisy Jul 31 #100

Hopefully that was sarcasm. thought crime Aug 1 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Aug 1 #111

Pox on Both Hamas and Baby Yahoo. Defending and rationalizing any of this is beyond Insane msfiddlestix Jul 31 #99