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muriel_volestrangler

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30. They don't know if the skull is in there or not, but the grave is not "infant-sized"
Thu Jul 31, 2025, 06:57 PM
Jul 31

The GPR does not detect bones; it detects the soil, and thus the graves. On its size: "William Shakespeare’s grave was found to be significantly longer than his short stone – extending west towards the head end, making it the same size as, and in line with, the other family graves. (Anne’s grave is also longer than her stone suggests."

On Susanna, it says " there may be foundation to the story of Susanna Shakespeare's grave being disturbed even if it is not possible to conclude whether she was exhumed and subsequently reinterred elsewhere. " Richard Watts was apparently buried close to her, nearly 50 years later. Saying "it is not possible to conclude" is not "theorizing that Susanna was". That attempted sleight of hand by you is just the sort of jiggery-pokery that your OP is pretending to be against. As is your claim of a 'bogus child-size "grave"', complete with scare marks. Or your gut feeling that "Colls is being coy", as if you suddenly don't see him as a scientist, but as someone dropping hints. The birthplace house was extensively renovated in the 1860s; no-one denies that the house was there before that.

You pontificate about "the Shakespeare myth", while distorting what Colls wrote. Beyond your original false claim that the scan showed that Shakespeare wasn't buried there, you're picking nits about tiny details that no one cares about (I'd never heard about poaching deer, or a mulberry tree, for instance. Why would that count as "history"? It's gossip.) What exactly is the "myth", according to you? And how do you claim it has "crumbled"? Are deer, trees and graves really what you think is most important about Shakespeare?

Your OP, frankly, has very little to do with history at all. It's an obsession with small details about the past (which you often distort), and a basic criticism of a few things like Washington Irving's popular writing, not the study of history.

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The "winners" write it. H2O Man Jul 30 #1
This NewHendoLib Jul 30 #2
That, and the fact that most people don't give a damn thucythucy Jul 30 #4
"How much do we devote, yearly, to the preservation..."? Billions of $$$ GreatGazoo Jul 30 #7
I specifically tried to exclude tourism and tourist attractions, thucythucy Jul 30 #15
I hear you on NFL expenses vs history preservation GreatGazoo Jul 30 #17
I agree that the study of history has and is making great strides. thucythucy Aug 2 #33
Americans are more interested in science fiction than history. thought crime Jul 30 #18
That simple malaise Jul 30 #8
Not always TnDem Jul 30 #12
But which "holy" texts were chosen to be included in the Bible, Aristus Jul 30 #16
The Bible isn't history. thought crime Jul 30 #19
"Nobody reads anymore." Kid Berwyn Jul 31 #27
;--{) Goonch Jul 31 #28
Countering Criticism of the Warren Report (CIA, PDF) Kid Berwyn Jul 31 #29
There are no facts. Only interpretations. Friedrich Nietzsche Ping Tung Jul 30 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author thought crime Jul 30 #20
To a certain degree it can only be an art ITAL Jul 30 #5
"Why it happened" is much more debatable than 'What happened' GreatGazoo Jul 30 #6
Nice OP malaise Jul 30 #9
Ironically, your version of the scan of Shakespeare's grave is completely wrong muriel_volestrangler Jul 30 #10
GPR shows no skull, no casket or coffin, not even nails from a rotted coffin. GreatGazoo Jul 30 #11
The irony of your attempt to spin this against the reality is quite hilarious muriel_volestrangler Jul 30 #13
I cited the Shakespeare myth specifically for the dynamic you are helping to illustrate GreatGazoo Jul 30 #14
Sure, go on denying what the people who did the scan said, if it makes you feel OK muriel_volestrangler Jul 31 #22
Kevin Colls says there is no skull under that stone and no coffin GreatGazoo Jul 31 #23
So we've gone from "Shakespeare isn't buried there. It's empty" to 5, including him, buried in shallow graves in shrouds muriel_volestrangler Jul 31 #24
According to Colls and science, Is Shakespeare's skull in that infant-sized "grave"? Yes or No GreatGazoo Jul 31 #25
They don't know if the skull is in there or not, but the grave is not "infant-sized" muriel_volestrangler Jul 31 #30
"It's very very convincing to me that his skull isn't at Holy Trinity at all." - Colls GreatGazoo Aug 1 #31
In your arguments in this thread, you have said: muriel_volestrangler Aug 1 #32
SInce you mentioned "Gilgamesh", I'll leave you this historical tidbit: Gilgamesh gave birth to Hamas. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Jul 30 #21
Well said! nt intrepidity Jul 31 #26
It is manipulated thru time to say what one wants republianmushroom Aug 2 #34
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