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64. MaddowBlog-Team Trump faces tough questions following strike on boat in international waters
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:19 PM
Thursday

You’ve heard the expression “shoot first and ask questions later”? This appears to be a rare literal example of the phenomenon.

Team Trump faces tough questions following strike on boat in international waters
www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

2kindsjustice (@2kindsjustice.bsky.social) 2025-09-04T15:47:11.570Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/team-trump-faces-tough-questions-strike-boat-international-waters-rcna229049

When retired Gen. H.R. McMaster served as Donald Trump’s national security adviser during the president’s first term, he didn’t exactly enjoy White House meetings. McMaster wrote in his memoir that Trump would routinely become distracted and blurt out “outlandish” ideas during discussions, including one especially memorable instance in which the president wanted to know, “Why don’t we just bomb the drugs” before they enter the United States?

That anecdote came to mind this week. The Associated Press reported:

President Donald Trump said Tuesday the U.S. has carried out a strike in the southern Caribbean against a drug-carrying vessel that departed from Venezuela and was operated by the Tren de Aragua gang. The president said in a social media posting that 11 people were killed in the rare U.S. military operation in the Americas, a dramatic escalation in the Republican administration’s effort to stem the flow of narcotics from Latin America.


.....Were the 11 people on the boat actually members of the Tren de Aragua gang? The president claimed they were, but then again, the president claims lots of things that have no basis in reality, and it’s not yet clear whether there might’ve been innocent people on board.

Were there actual drugs on the boat? Trump insisted there were, but there’s no publicly available evidence to support the claim. And even if there were drugs on board, U.S. officials could’ve intercepted the boat, seized its cargo, arrested those on board (or at least offered them an opportunity to surrender) and put them on trial — without blowing anyone up.......

When JD Vance was asked about the administration’s legal authority in this instance, his answer suggested the vice president — a Yale Law School graduate — was confused by what the phrase “legal authority” means.

Q: On the Venezuela vessel strike, what legal authority were you guys working under?

JD VANCE: The legal authority is there are people who are bringing -- literal terrorists -- who are bringing deadly drugs into our country

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-09-03T20:09:59.147Z


......Around the same time, Ryan Goodman, an NYU law professor and former special counsel at the Pentagon, wrote via Bluesky, “I literally cannot imagine lawyers coming up with a legal basis for lethal strike of suspected Venezuelan drug boat. Hard to see how this would not be ‘murder’ or a war crime under international law that DoD considers applicable.”

Looking ahead, there are a handful of angles to this story that are worth keeping in mind. The first is that there’s no reason to assume the questions will simply go away. Second, if Trump is still campaigning for a Nobel Peace Prize, he might want to start lowering his expectations, since the committee tends to frown on extrajudicial killings.

Third, Americans who voted for Trump hoping for a restrained foreign policy and a reluctance to use military force now have fresh reason to question their decision.

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Bass boats Greg_In_SF Sep 3 #1
The only sure way to tell what it was Another Jackalope Sep 3 #3
Exactly... no more boat, no way to prove or disprove anything. Therefore, slightlv Sep 3 #15
Countdown OrangeJoe Sep 3 #23
He wants to get a drug boat so bad he doesn't want to risk MadameButterfly Sep 3 #37
That's very unsettling. ecstatic Thursday #58
Cmon now, they were going after some of the largest sea bass ever rumored to exist in that big bad bass boat. nt taxi Sep 3 #9
A pleasure boat can have 4 engines deepblue Sep 3 #22
They can Greg_In_SF Sep 3 #26
My neighbor had a boat with 3 Chrysler V8's in it. Just for fishing on Lake Michigan. OverBurn Sep 3 #38
Half the boats in Miami do pfitz59 Sep 3 #42
So you are saying it is ok to kill folks usedtobedemgurl Sep 3 #55
Me? You talking to me? deepblue Thursday #62
Do the DOD's brownshirts understand that "just following orders" is not a defense RockRaven Sep 3 #2
Hitler had the Brownshirts murdered Kaleva Sep 3 #7
Only The Leaders ProfessorGAC Sep 3 #24
The loyalty of the Brownshirts wasn't in question Kaleva Thursday #61
Agreed ProfessorGAC Thursday #63
Verbal orders, I'm sure Fichefinder Sep 3 #4
So we can kill a literal 'Boat load' of people just on a Suspision? mackdaddy Sep 3 #5
Unfortunately WmChris Sep 3 #16
Intercepting (easy) & interrogating is so much less CONVENIENT than extra-judicially killing 11 people. . . . /s . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 3 #6
The quaint idea of due process sammythecat Sep 3 #28
OK, they just picked a boat to destroy and claimed it was cartel. ananda Sep 3 #8
Reminds me of HWBush popsdenver Sep 3 #14
Good comparison. Bush 2 invaded Iraq and took advantage of 9/11. ananda Sep 3 #19
Bush 2 invaded Iraq because he thought that Sadamn had disrespected his daddy after the first Iraq war of Bush 1 LiberalArkie Sep 3 #31
I thought popsdenver Sep 3 #51
Reagan knocked over Grenada markodochartaigh Sep 3 #30
And to wag the dog, to distract from the Beirut embassy bombing. Hassler Sep 3 #36
Begging for more 9/11s. multigraincracker Sep 3 #10
So many questions. maxsolomon Sep 3 #11
That's not normal protocol for interdiction activities. haele Sep 3 #57
Meanwhile Putin, Modi, Xi and Kim were yucking bronxiteforever Sep 3 #12
F.cking Supreme Court! Buddyzbuddy Sep 3 #13
I dont care if they were carrying 500 pounds of cocaine. Eko Sep 3 #17
The whole thing is a disgrace. yardwork Sep 3 #21
Proving yet again that the "Orange menace", in the words of Eddie Janko,... the nelm Sep 3 #34
His dealer was late so... Dave Bowman Sep 3 #18
That excuse didn't work at Nuremberg it's not going to work now. Ray Bruns Sep 3 #20
Cost of doing business to the cartel lonely bird Sep 3 #25
The orange monster is working day & night to make America an international pariah Hekate Sep 3 #27
Extra judicial killing for an alleged offense that could not be the subject of capital punishment is murder. TomSlick Sep 3 #29
I am expecting this will lead to us reading about the U.S. blowing up boats full of refugees. Sorry to express such ShazamIam Sep 3 #32
Typical Of Cantaloupe Caligula... GB_RN Sep 3 #33
Murdering 11 Venezuelans without knowing 100% Farmer-Rick Sep 3 #35
Blow it up, film it, and use that clip of a evidence-less mass murder for political propaganda Justice matters. Sep 3 #47
The Reform party in the UK would love to do something like this. malthaussen Sep 3 #39
It was around 1,200 miles over the open sea from the markodochartaigh Sep 3 #40
i guess its ok now for venezula to attack a US fishing boat in international waters claiming its a drug boat moonshinegnomie Sep 3 #41
It was murder! Emile Sep 3 #43
More than likely T tried to shake them down Hope22 Sep 3 #44
This is basically piracy EndlessMaze Sep 3 #45
I think this story... Mike Nelson Sep 3 #46
Maybe Gulf of Tonkin important ... Turnip is waving his big stick below the Equator, ready to start another eppur_se_muova Sep 3 #48
Legal Issues Raised by a Lethal U.S. Military Attack in the Caribbean LetMyPeopleVote Sep 3 #49
Unfortunately, for the Sailors that pushed the button, "we were just following orders" is a weak defense maxrandb Sep 3 #50
I believe Trump would use nuclear missiles if he thought he could personally benefited from it. Doodley Sep 3 #52
It scares me that the Navy followed this order. nt Ilsa Sep 3 #53
He has murder in his heart. GoodRaisin Sep 3 #54
Were there children in the boat? Bernardo de La Paz Sep 3 #56
Murder/Terrorism moondust Thursday #59
Of course Nobody paying attention would Cha Thursday #60
MaddowBlog-Team Trump faces tough questions following strike on boat in international waters LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #64
Will this be his new method of handling scary immigrants or demonstrators? Ping Tung Thursday #65
Impeach him! Joinfortmill Thursday #66
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