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28. MaddowBlog-Team Trump faces tough questions following strike on boat in international waters
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:26 PM
Thursday

You’ve heard the expression “shoot first and ask questions later”? This appears to be a rare literal example of the phenomenon.

Team Trump faces tough questions following strike on boat in international waters
www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

2kindsjustice (@2kindsjustice.bsky.social) 2025-09-04T15:47:11.570Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/team-trump-faces-tough-questions-strike-boat-international-waters-rcna229049

When retired Gen. H.R. McMaster served as Donald Trump’s national security adviser during the president’s first term, he didn’t exactly enjoy White House meetings. McMaster wrote in his memoir that Trump would routinely become distracted and blurt out “outlandish” ideas during discussions, including one especially memorable instance in which the president wanted to know, “Why don’t we just bomb the drugs” before they enter the United States?

That anecdote came to mind this week. The Associated Press reported:

President Donald Trump said Tuesday the U.S. has carried out a strike in the southern Caribbean against a drug-carrying vessel that departed from Venezuela and was operated by the Tren de Aragua gang. The president said in a social media posting that 11 people were killed in the rare U.S. military operation in the Americas, a dramatic escalation in the Republican administration’s effort to stem the flow of narcotics from Latin America.


.....Were the 11 people on the boat actually members of the Tren de Aragua gang? The president claimed they were, but then again, the president claims lots of things that have no basis in reality, and it’s not yet clear whether there might’ve been innocent people on board.

Were there actual drugs on the boat? Trump insisted there were, but there’s no publicly available evidence to support the claim. And even if there were drugs on board, U.S. officials could’ve intercepted the boat, seized its cargo, arrested those on board (or at least offered them an opportunity to surrender) and put them on trial — without blowing anyone up.......

When JD Vance was asked about the administration’s legal authority in this instance, his answer suggested the vice president — a Yale Law School graduate — was confused by what the phrase “legal authority” means.

Q: On the Venezuela vessel strike, what legal authority were you guys working under?

JD VANCE: The legal authority is there are people who are bringing -- literal terrorists -- who are bringing deadly drugs into our country

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-09-03T20:09:59.147Z


......Around the same time, Ryan Goodman, an NYU law professor and former special counsel at the Pentagon, wrote via Bluesky, “I literally cannot imagine lawyers coming up with a legal basis for lethal strike of suspected Venezuelan drug boat. Hard to see how this would not be ‘murder’ or a war crime under international law that DoD considers applicable.”

Looking ahead, there are a handful of angles to this story that are worth keeping in mind. The first is that there’s no reason to assume the questions will simply go away. Second, if Trump is still campaigning for a Nobel Peace Prize, he might want to start lowering his expectations, since the committee tends to frown on extrajudicial killings.

Third, Americans who voted for Trump hoping for a restrained foreign policy and a reluctance to use military force now have fresh reason to question their decision.

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Trump's hatred of brown people is becoming more sadistic and cruel by the day. Irish_Dem Wednesday #1
11 people needed to smuggle a boatload of drugs? Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #2
Could be 9 people being smuggled and no drugs. gab13by13 Wednesday #5
Who can tell? Disaffected Thursday #19
Wouldn't surprise me. Trump tried to B.See Wednesday #3
A human (or drug) smuggling run from Venezuela to the U.S. coast would be at least 1400 miles. sop Wednesday #4
If you're out in your boat gab13by13 Wednesday #6
It was cold-blooded murder of innocent people. John1956PA Wednesday #8
that is the reason Trump ordered popsdenver Wednesday #17
That boat was obviously modified before we go down that path... Melon Thursday #21
That boat did not have "4 high horsepower engines" on the transom, they were probably less than 50-70 hp each. sop Thursday #24
I am very familiar with offshore race boats Melon Thursday #25
That boat isn't going much faster than 25 mph, amd those engines look like small Yamahas, probably 40-70 hp. sop Thursday #27
For all we know, they all could have been US citizens. bluedigger Wednesday #7
I believe it. Trump and his kids love drugs newdeal2 Wednesday #9
We'll never know misanthrope Wednesday #10
One thing we do know is that what we watched happen to that boat was cold blooded murder. GoodRaisin Wednesday #11
What "heart"? Traitor has Murder in Cha Thursday #22
Were there children in the boat? Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #12
Chances are, we will never know Hekate Wednesday #14
If you could afford it, would you walk your children through Colombian jungles or go by speedboat to Florida? Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #15
How would such a small boat make it all the way to the US? nt Disaffected Thursday #20
I hope they keep asking -- personally, I think 11 people were murdered. Hekate Wednesday #13
Christians killing a boatload of Christians. Isn't that what this really is? RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Wednesday #16
Unlikely, unless they were squashed into small oblong packages wrapped in black plastic Warpy Wednesday #18
A better spin on the story, or how the blundering administration could have told it taxi Thursday #23
Explain how they knew about this particular boat and drugs?.................. Lovie777 Thursday #26
MaddowBlog-Team Trump faces tough questions following strike on boat in international waters LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #28
I think Trump is trying to provoke retaliation WSHazel Thursday #29
If so, then it is a war crime. kentuck Thursday #30
He's doing everything to distract from the Epstein issue. Xolodno Thursday #31
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