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AZJonnie

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40. You continue to put words in my mouth

Reply to questionseverything (Reply #36)

Thu Oct 2, 2025, 05:16 PM

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I never defended 'neo cons imprisoning children', nor did I ask for videos of naked kids as proof on the news

I'm saying the whole thing is horrible, fascist, and illegal, even without "naked kids ziptied and dragged from their homes into vans". No witness actually said that happened, so I don't want the perception that it was horrible ONLY BECAUSE that happened to children to prevail, because it may well not turn out to be accurate, and then what are we left with, argument-wise? The fact that children were zip-tied to one another and caused to leave their homes seems pretty well established (i.e. said literally by a witness) so I'm advising taking a more cautious approach in the reportage, let's not hang our hats on the headline being literally accurate.

I'm almost always cautious and calculating like this, and I'm sorry if that offends

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'It was heartbreaking': Naked zip-tied children dragged from homes in 'surreal' ICE raid' [View all] Joinfortmill Yesterday OP

What does Trump think about naked children? usonian Yesterday #1

Zip tied naked children. Irish_Dem Yesterday #2

Presumably not in the way you are implying AZJonnie Yesterday #14

You are much more optimistic about the ICE staff than I am. Irish_Dem Yesterday #18

Whatever you say. AZJonnie Yesterday #20

Sorry if it seemed like I'z snapping at you yesterday, I've cooled off enough to reply today AZJonnie 1 hr ago #65

I thought u-haul was not going to participate in shit like this anymore. travelingthrulife Yesterday #39

The story does not claim prisoners bound for detention were transported in U-Hauls AZJonnie Yesterday #41

I'm sure ICE would claim they are not bound by state laws restricting human cargo in rental vans DBoon 23 hrs ago #52

One story I read said that were not actually "U-Haul" brand, but "Budget" and had Jack Valentino 1 hr ago #66

I don't know about this story. MineralMan Yesterday #3

+1 leftstreet Yesterday #4

DU thread 112+ recs: "ICE goons in Trump's Chicago "training ground" drag naked zip-tied children" Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #24

I added another link. Google is your friend. Joinfortmill Yesterday #6

So as it stands now, this is based on the word of one witness? AZJonnie Yesterday #11

Five different people are named and quoted in the article questionseverything Yesterday #15

See my post #17 (nt) AZJonnie Yesterday #19

Ebony sweets watson is the woman quoted who bravely gave her name questionseverything Yesterday #21

That's a little over the top, friend AZJonnie Yesterday #28

Dude, now you're saying children being zip tied and led to detention vans in their underwear would be fine questionseverything Yesterday #32

You are distorting my meaning horribly AZJonnie Yesterday #34

Then stop defending the neo cons imprisoning children questionseverything Yesterday #36

You continue to put words in my mouth AZJonnie Yesterday #40

So, " children in their underwear were ziptied and carefully escorted to vans"? questionseverything Yesterday #42

I'm not defending jack-squat here, my friend AZJonnie 23 hrs ago #55

Actually both you and mm wanted photos and videos "or it didn't happen " questionseverything Yesterday #43

Baloney I never said that AZJonnie Yesterday #46

I haven't seen proof that the raid was warrentless questionseverything Yesterday #45

Multiple news reports from Tuesday: DU thread 112+ recs Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #25

It's the same (raw)story so I'm not sure what your point is AZJonnie Yesterday #30

She DID say zip ties. Buck naked means completely unclothed. I don't think there is any dispute on that Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #33

Okay, in the video she mentioned kids zip tied to one another. That's not in her quote from the article. AZJonnie Yesterday #38

I think you have bent over backwards to defend illegal, immoral actions questionseverything 23 hrs ago #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person 5 hrs ago #64

Waiting for vids? Blues Heron Yesterday #7

Well, so far there is no documentation at all. MineralMan Yesterday #10

Five different people give their names to be quoted in the article questionseverything Yesterday #12

None of the five said they saw naked children zip-tied and dragged from their homes AZJonnie Yesterday #17

Video showing the trucks and a witness Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #29

If "nothing happened without video or pictures " questionseverything Yesterday #13

He said "it may as well not have happened" AZJonnie Yesterday #16

You need to look around a bit more. Plus Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #26

All based on one persons statement. MineralMan Yesterday #44

Also - just arresting American women womanofthehills 23 hrs ago #54

DU thread on the Greatest page: 112 recs and climbing Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #23

"some of them naked, residents and witnesses said." From a more reputable source. nilram 23 hrs ago #50

This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person 5 hrs ago #63

Please keep an eye on what is happening in Memphis, which has nothing to do with undocumented immigrants & everything to SheltieLover Yesterday #5

Is this being covered on national news at all? AZJonnie Yesterday #8

Building was in disrepair and filled with Venezuelan immigrants and poor black people. safe to violate rights BlueWaveNeverEnd Yesterday #9

It's domestic terrorism committed by the wannabe-totalitarian regime Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #22

I live in Chicago. All true. cer7711 Yesterday #27

Thanks for the post. Joinfortmill Yesterday #31

OMG you actually saw this? leftstreet Yesterday #35

Remember when the US would condemn other countries for doing this? Of course you do, it was less than ten months ago. twodogsbarking Yesterday #37

Seems like a lifetime ago. Irish_Dem 22 hrs ago #59

If there were actually Greg_In_SF 23 hrs ago #48

WBEZ, "some of them naked, residents and witnesses said" nilram 23 hrs ago #51

Why is that weird? Greg_In_SF 23 hrs ago #56

No one is " running from " the naked children were zip tied except for you questionseverything 22 hrs ago #57

I don't see Greg_In_SF 22 hrs ago #58

Yeah, the eyewitnesses were hallucinating. CivicGrief 23 hrs ago #53

If you want to believe Greg_In_SF 22 hrs ago #60

Chris Hayes did a good segment on all this last night questionseverything 6 hrs ago #61

American Kristallnacht . . . . . day after day after day Stinky The Clown 23 hrs ago #49

This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person 5 hrs ago #62