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In reply to the discussion: 'It was heartbreaking': Naked zip-tied children dragged from homes in 'surreal' ICE raid' [View all]AZJonnie
(1,718 posts)55. I'm not defending jack-squat here, my friend
It was heartbreaking to watch, said Watson. Even if youre not a mother, seeing kids coming out buck naked and taken from their mothers, it was horrible.
Again, that is not the same as "naked kids being zip-tied and dragged from their homes into vans". This is just a simple point that you keep putting words into my mouth about. I'm only saying maybe we shouldn't oversell this point about "naked kids being zip-tied and dragged into vans" because that is really not what Watson said, based on the quote they gave from her. Unless they have her on record saying more, I urge considering that people writing the articles are taking some editorial license with that characterization

Above all else my point is that the underlying horrible crimes KNOWN 100% to be in play here are:
1) Deploying a massive force of Combat-Ready Federal Agents upon a US apartment complex based on nothing but their own assertion of Tren De Aragua presence with no Judge to back such action, and no imminent threat that prompted immediate intervention.
2) Committing domestic terrorism against citizens by breaking down doors of private residences, without warrants, nor reason to believe a crime is in progress that could result in imminent harm to innocents if they did not forcibly enter.
3) Forcibly removing CITIZENS from their homes (adults or kids, black or white or Latino, naked or clothed, it's ALL TERRIBLE).
4) Conducting KIDNAPPINGS of said citizens by putting them in handcuffs/zip ties and forcing them into the back of vans, at least some of them for HOURS.
5) Apparently also doing some ransacking while inside their private residences, which they will NOT pay for.
6) They are Feds CLEARLY conducting regular domestic law enforcement duties by holding citizens because they had warrants (or drugs were found inside) and presumably delivering them to local LE after finding them through *ILLEGAL* means.
The totality of the known facts (1-6) conveys such overwhelming fascist authoritarianism & illegality that I feel like the detail of "the children were being treated just like the adults were" should be not be viewed like it's the "the whole story", especially because there's some ambiguity WRT what happened with said kids.
And I also submit that even if there were ZERO kids, the freaking fascist nature of the whole thing should still hold a LOT of weight



Hoping that now that I've been very clear about my actual meaning, we can quit arguing?
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'It was heartbreaking': Naked zip-tied children dragged from homes in 'surreal' ICE raid' [View all]
Joinfortmill
Yesterday
OP
Sorry if it seemed like I'z snapping at you yesterday, I've cooled off enough to reply today
AZJonnie
1 hr ago
#65
I thought u-haul was not going to participate in shit like this anymore.
travelingthrulife
Yesterday
#39
The story does not claim prisoners bound for detention were transported in U-Hauls
AZJonnie
Yesterday
#41
I'm sure ICE would claim they are not bound by state laws restricting human cargo in rental vans
DBoon
23 hrs ago
#52
One story I read said that were not actually "U-Haul" brand, but "Budget" and had
Jack Valentino
1 hr ago
#66
DU thread 112+ recs: "ICE goons in Trump's Chicago "training ground" drag naked zip-tied children"
Bernardo de La Paz
Yesterday
#24
Dude, now you're saying children being zip tied and led to detention vans in their underwear would be fine
questionseverything
Yesterday
#32
So, " children in their underwear were ziptied and carefully escorted to vans"?
questionseverything
Yesterday
#42
Actually both you and mm wanted photos and videos "or it didn't happen "
questionseverything
Yesterday
#43
She DID say zip ties. Buck naked means completely unclothed. I don't think there is any dispute on that
Bernardo de La Paz
Yesterday
#33
Okay, in the video she mentioned kids zip tied to one another. That's not in her quote from the article.
AZJonnie
Yesterday
#38
I think you have bent over backwards to defend illegal, immoral actions
questionseverything
23 hrs ago
#47
Five different people give their names to be quoted in the article
questionseverything
Yesterday
#12
None of the five said they saw naked children zip-tied and dragged from their homes
AZJonnie
Yesterday
#17
"some of them naked, residents and witnesses said." From a more reputable source.
nilram
23 hrs ago
#50
Please keep an eye on what is happening in Memphis, which has nothing to do with undocumented immigrants & everything to
SheltieLover
Yesterday
#5
Building was in disrepair and filled with Venezuelan immigrants and poor black people. safe to violate rights
BlueWaveNeverEnd
Yesterday
#9
It's domestic terrorism committed by the wannabe-totalitarian regime
Bernardo de La Paz
Yesterday
#22
Remember when the US would condemn other countries for doing this? Of course you do, it was less than ten months ago.
twodogsbarking
Yesterday
#37
No one is " running from " the naked children were zip tied except for you
questionseverything
22 hrs ago
#57