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AZJonnie

(1,718 posts)
55. I'm not defending jack-squat here, my friend
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 06:38 PM
23 hrs ago
“It was heartbreaking to watch,” said Watson. “Even if you’re not a mother, seeing kids coming out buck naked and taken from their mothers, it was horrible.”


Again, that is not the same as "naked kids being zip-tied and dragged from their homes into vans". This is just a simple point that you keep putting words into my mouth about. I'm only saying maybe we shouldn't oversell this point about "naked kids being zip-tied and dragged into vans" because that is really not what Watson said, based on the quote they gave from her. Unless they have her on record saying more, I urge considering that people writing the articles are taking some editorial license with that characterization

Above all else my point is that the underlying horrible crimes KNOWN 100% to be in play here are:
1) Deploying a massive force of Combat-Ready Federal Agents upon a US apartment complex based on nothing but their own assertion of Tren De Aragua presence with no Judge to back such action, and no imminent threat that prompted immediate intervention.
2) Committing domestic terrorism against citizens by breaking down doors of private residences, without warrants, nor reason to believe a crime is in progress that could result in imminent harm to innocents if they did not forcibly enter.
3) Forcibly removing CITIZENS from their homes (adults or kids, black or white or Latino, naked or clothed, it's ALL TERRIBLE).
4) Conducting KIDNAPPINGS of said citizens by putting them in handcuffs/zip ties and forcing them into the back of vans, at least some of them for HOURS.
5) Apparently also doing some ransacking while inside their private residences, which they will NOT pay for.
6) They are Feds CLEARLY conducting regular domestic law enforcement duties by holding citizens because they had warrants (or drugs were found inside) and presumably delivering them to local LE after finding them through *ILLEGAL* means.

The totality of the known facts (1-6) conveys such overwhelming fascist authoritarianism & illegality that I feel like the detail of "the children were being treated just like the adults were" should be not be viewed like it's the "the whole story", especially because there's some ambiguity WRT what happened with said kids.

And I also submit that even if there were ZERO kids, the freaking fascist nature of the whole thing should still hold a LOT of weight

Hoping that now that I've been very clear about my actual meaning, we can quit arguing?

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What does Trump think about naked children? usonian Yesterday #1
Zip tied naked children. Irish_Dem Yesterday #2
Presumably not in the way you are implying AZJonnie Yesterday #14
You are much more optimistic about the ICE staff than I am. Irish_Dem Yesterday #18
Whatever you say. AZJonnie Yesterday #20
Sorry if it seemed like I'z snapping at you yesterday, I've cooled off enough to reply today AZJonnie 1 hr ago #65
I thought u-haul was not going to participate in shit like this anymore. travelingthrulife Yesterday #39
The story does not claim prisoners bound for detention were transported in U-Hauls AZJonnie Yesterday #41
I'm sure ICE would claim they are not bound by state laws restricting human cargo in rental vans DBoon 23 hrs ago #52
One story I read said that were not actually "U-Haul" brand, but "Budget" and had Jack Valentino 1 hr ago #66
I don't know about this story. MineralMan Yesterday #3
+1 leftstreet Yesterday #4
DU thread 112+ recs: "ICE goons in Trump's Chicago "training ground" drag naked zip-tied children" Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #24
I added another link. Google is your friend. Joinfortmill Yesterday #6
So as it stands now, this is based on the word of one witness? AZJonnie Yesterday #11
Five different people are named and quoted in the article questionseverything Yesterday #15
See my post #17 (nt) AZJonnie Yesterday #19
Ebony sweets watson is the woman quoted who bravely gave her name questionseverything Yesterday #21
That's a little over the top, friend AZJonnie Yesterday #28
Dude, now you're saying children being zip tied and led to detention vans in their underwear would be fine questionseverything Yesterday #32
You are distorting my meaning horribly AZJonnie Yesterday #34
Then stop defending the neo cons imprisoning children questionseverything Yesterday #36
You continue to put words in my mouth AZJonnie Yesterday #40
So, " children in their underwear were ziptied and carefully escorted to vans"? questionseverything Yesterday #42
I'm not defending jack-squat here, my friend AZJonnie 23 hrs ago #55
Actually both you and mm wanted photos and videos "or it didn't happen " questionseverything Yesterday #43
Baloney I never said that AZJonnie Yesterday #46
I haven't seen proof that the raid was warrentless questionseverything Yesterday #45
Multiple news reports from Tuesday: DU thread 112+ recs Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #25
It's the same (raw)story so I'm not sure what your point is AZJonnie Yesterday #30
She DID say zip ties. Buck naked means completely unclothed. I don't think there is any dispute on that Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #33
Okay, in the video she mentioned kids zip tied to one another. That's not in her quote from the article. AZJonnie Yesterday #38
I think you have bent over backwards to defend illegal, immoral actions questionseverything 23 hrs ago #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person 5 hrs ago #64
Waiting for vids? Blues Heron Yesterday #7
Well, so far there is no documentation at all. MineralMan Yesterday #10
Five different people give their names to be quoted in the article questionseverything Yesterday #12
None of the five said they saw naked children zip-tied and dragged from their homes AZJonnie Yesterday #17
Video showing the trucks and a witness Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #29
If "nothing happened without video or pictures " questionseverything Yesterday #13
He said "it may as well not have happened" AZJonnie Yesterday #16
You need to look around a bit more. Plus Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #26
All based on one persons statement. MineralMan Yesterday #44
Also - just arresting American women womanofthehills 23 hrs ago #54
DU thread on the Greatest page: 112 recs and climbing Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #23
"some of them naked, residents and witnesses said." From a more reputable source. nilram 23 hrs ago #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person 5 hrs ago #63
Please keep an eye on what is happening in Memphis, which has nothing to do with undocumented immigrants & everything to SheltieLover Yesterday #5
Is this being covered on national news at all? AZJonnie Yesterday #8
Building was in disrepair and filled with Venezuelan immigrants and poor black people. safe to violate rights BlueWaveNeverEnd Yesterday #9
It's domestic terrorism committed by the wannabe-totalitarian regime Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #22
I live in Chicago. All true. cer7711 Yesterday #27
Thanks for the post. Joinfortmill Yesterday #31
OMG you actually saw this? leftstreet Yesterday #35
Remember when the US would condemn other countries for doing this? Of course you do, it was less than ten months ago. twodogsbarking Yesterday #37
Seems like a lifetime ago. Irish_Dem 22 hrs ago #59
If there were actually Greg_In_SF 23 hrs ago #48
WBEZ, "some of them naked, residents and witnesses said" nilram 23 hrs ago #51
Why is that weird? Greg_In_SF 22 hrs ago #56
No one is " running from " the naked children were zip tied except for you questionseverything 22 hrs ago #57
I don't see Greg_In_SF 22 hrs ago #58
Yeah, the eyewitnesses were hallucinating. CivicGrief 23 hrs ago #53
If you want to believe Greg_In_SF 22 hrs ago #60
Chris Hayes did a good segment on all this last night questionseverything 5 hrs ago #61
American Kristallnacht . . . . . day after day after day Stinky The Clown 23 hrs ago #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person 5 hrs ago #62
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