General Discussion

Let the other side be as stupid and as loud as they want to be. Our side needs to be smart and organized... not merely filled with blind rage and "hate" ... yet wandering around without a clue how to put all that pent-up energy to good use... in a meaningful and effective way.

Half the time, their listeners end up "hating" the wrong party... they turn on the Democrats for "letting it happen" or for "refusing to act" and wave their magic wand. When, instead, these youtubers could be guiding and lifting their civic knowledge and motivation. Encouraging them to HELP the party rather than to view Democrats as the enemy or rather than including them in the "both sides" bullshit. (I know you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about, don't you?)

The primary mission of these "podcasters" is to make money... they're not part of any sort of movement. They want to "ride" the wave of anger and self-blame rather than CREATE the wave of victory over the GOP.

Sorry... the standard of "not telling outright lies" is a low threshold. Spending 15 minutes in a youtube video before they get-to-the-point of the headline is the moral equivalent of a lie. Asking clickbait questions to get viewers, then answering their provocative question with "no" is the moral equivalent of a lie. Feeding people a nothing burger, and then repeating the same "story" three more times in the same video (leaving people believing that there's more to come) but never delivering is the moral equivalent of an outright-lie. They need to do better and we need to demand better.

Playing to win, as you put it, means winning at the ballot box. It's very RARE that any of these clickbait hyped-up meandering dragged-out repetitive arrow-flashing youtubers actually do or say anything to help people to understand what's going on, and what they can do about it. In the end, it's all about THEIR OWN pocketbooks, and LOW-INFORMATION click bait is how they do it... for themselves. NOT for us. NOT for any greater cause other than themselves.

Low and zero information content only perpetuates the problem (it doesn't matter how LOUD) they are... that's not going to help us win.

I know we're on the same team, but I think we're talking past each other at this point. We've reached an impasse. --- Thanks for the chat and conversation.