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In reply to the discussion: My Spidey senses are acting up [View all]Chemical Bill
(2,989 posts)Exit polls used to correspond with the final vote count almost perfectly. By 2004, vote counts in some 16 or 17 states were outside of the margin of error for the exit polls. Some excellent work on DU at the time showed where voting machines from one particular company was way off, while other machines showed excellent correlation. In 2004, all but one of the discrepancies favored W over Kerry, and all but one of those flipped the state (see Was The 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? by Freeman). So the PTB altered the exit polls after the fact to better match the "vote count".
Now, the only way to prove or disprove election fraud is to hand count the paper ballots. This was not done in 2000, 2004, 2016, or 2024. It was done in 2020, when Joe Biden was elected. Actually, it was done in Florida in 2000 by a media consortium including the NY Times, but the result was not published for months after W was sworn in. The recount showed that every statewide recount scenario gave the state, and hence the presidency, to Gore. Those results are available on Wikipedia.
So hand counted paper ballot recounts showed that Gore should have been president from 2001 to 2005. They showed that Biden won in 2020. But there is no proof that W ever won, and also TSF. As you may remember, Republicans fought tooth and nail to prevent hand counted recounts in 2000 and 2016, and were successful.
I agree that Republicans use purges, gerrymandering, and various disenfranchisement methods (even targeted bomb threats). When these are not enough, vote counts show evidence of fraud. See Election Truth Alliance. For some reason, the only method to prove if elections are clean or not is opposed by Republicans if they win. This is no red herring.