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pat_k

(12,447 posts)
39. There is a place for shunning, but ultimately, I firmly believe engagement is how we find our way back.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 12:43 PM
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Consider Mandami engaging with, and really listening to, trump voters.

Consider Deeyah Khan engaging with White Supremacists in her "My documentary about White Supremacy. White Right: Meeting the Enemy."

Deeyah is a courageous and compassionate woman. She wades into the lion's den and focuses on feelings, and how she, and the people she talks to, came to adopt the beliefs they have adopted-- and how those beliefs personally affect her.

Narrative of the whys and lived experience, instead of tossing opposing conclusions at each other, is how we can connect on a human level.

And frankly, whether it sparks reevaluation is not the point. She did not go into this with any expectations of convincing the people she spoke to. She went in with genuine curiosity. The paradox of going in to listen, and being real about where we are, with no expectations, is more powerful than arguing a "fact-based" or logical case.

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K & R SunSeeker Saturday #1
Not too late to stop supporting him lame54 Saturday #2
You got what you wanted. Trump in the WH. Norrrm Saturday #3
Well, she got what she wanted. Liberals are pissed off. DFW Saturday #5
Learning Braille would be a sign that she has any interest in, or aptitude for, reading. Aristus Saturday #9
Yep, it's exactly what she voted for -- for others to suffer. Braille? Never! wordstroken Saturday #24
Wow! Conjuay Sunday #38
womp womp my dear. FAFO WhiteTara Saturday #8
"When you say 'waste, fraud, and abuse' you mean other people; when every other RockRaven Saturday #4
When a magat cries an angle gets their wings! paleotn Saturday #6
An acute observation to a large degree BaronChocula Saturday #18
I have no sympathy for MAGAs Grim Chieftain Saturday #7
I say, "of course it's not what you voted for. Only an evil troglodyte would vote for... Ol Janx Spirit Saturday #10
Not sure that would work with the Black & Hispanic males who switched to Trump in the 2024 prez election Martin Eden Saturday #11
It's not meant to SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #12
I should have clarified that "in general" applied to any Trump voter Martin Eden Saturday #14
You're right SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #16
Many are being shamed BaronChocula Saturday #20
Shame by community example can be effective Martin Eden Saturday #23
I'm a little obsessed with figuring out BaronChocula Sunday #28
The media environment is not conducive to rational choices Martin Eden Sunday #30
Yup. FAFO. Joinfortmill Saturday #13
A lesson that so many of his cult need to have happen. OldBaldy1701E Sunday #33
Me: "No. You voted for a psychopath!" Grins Saturday #15
I Haven't seen too many crying. Demobrat Saturday #17
You're lucky SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #19
Lucky? I'd rather see them cry than gloat. Demobrat Saturday #21
Ain't That A Shame... 3catwoman3 Saturday #22
Perhaps extend a little grace? pat_k Saturday #25
With these people? SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #26
Sure, if one of them was expressing anger at the Un-American, cruel, intolerable agenda harming them and their neighbors pat_k Saturday #27
Really depends SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #29
Same answer as #39 pat_k Sunday #41
Way too early to be cutting these shitheads any slack. Paladin Sunday #32
Same answer as #39 pat_k Sunday #40
I commend your good heart SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #43
That's a given. I'd say 25-35% of Americans have been lost racist fucks for as long as i've been alive. pat_k Sunday #44
Shunning is a practice not nearly practiced enough in this society. travelingthrulife Sunday #34
There is a place for shunning, but ultimately, I firmly believe engagement is how we find our way back. pat_k Sunday #39
Thanks for sharing Martin Eden Sunday #31
I haven't heard this yet D_Master81 Sunday #35
I would assume SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #36
An angel gets its wings? Swede Sunday #37
If they didn't know what they were voting for, then they should have listened to us... W_HAMILTON Sunday #42
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