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jfz9580m

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86. Then what was the point of the shutdown at all?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 06:06 AM
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Last edited Mon Nov 10, 2025, 07:45 AM - Edit history (1)

I clearly did miss the point. I thought the earlier post did sound a bit like an attack on that poster and like a defense of centrist dem politicians. And I don’t really like calling out other posters which was why I didn’t really like butting in and why I am happy to edit out any call-outs myself.

But it does seem misguided to dismiss actual voters or posters who are feeling the pain of this like Jspur and that too to defend some pretty centrist dems.

At that point it sounds less like grassroots dem politics and more like defense of the party no matter what. That can’t even be useful for organizing or winning elections. And is less likely to attract a younger audience to boards like DU.

I concede that maybe I didn’t understand the whole thing or your posts. I thought the shutdown was over the ACA:
https://www.npr.org/2025/11/05/nx-s1-5596472/government-shutdown-record-health-care-subsidies

But at the heart of the impasse is a debate about health care, specifically expiring subsidies for health insurance premiums purchased on the Affordable Care Act marketplace.

Democrats have gone all-in on their fight to preserve the subsidies, withholding votes 14 times for a Republican-backed short-term spending measure even as shutdown pain ratchets up with flight cancellations, delayed SNAP benefits and missed paychecks for federal workers.

Though Republicans have insisted they will not negotiate on the subsidies until the government reopens, some members are calling for them to be preserved.

The stalemate has underscored the Affordable Care Act debate's lasting imprint on Washington, more than 15 years after it was signed into law. Clashes over health care have continued to animate pivotal moments in American politics, from consequential elections to paper-thin votes in Congress and even a past government shutdown in 2013.

Now the debate has stoked a record-long shutdown, just ahead of midterm elections in 2026, when health care could once again shape the results.

Why some Obamacare critics want to extend its subsidies

For more than a month, Democrats have refused to back a government funding measure without an agreement to extend subsidies for ACA marketplace plans, which expire at the end of the year.

That has left Republicans in a tricky position. While the party broadly dislikes the law, some in Congress have begun to acknowledge they may be stuck with it.

"This is a big deal in my district," said Rep. Jeff Hurd, R-Colo. "I've heard from a number of people who are facing dramatic increases."

Hurd says without the subsidies, constituents in his heavily rural district could lose health coverage.


Like most in his party, Hurd says reopening the government has to come first. He is also one of more than a dozen House Republicans who signed onto a letter calling for them to be preserved. And along with a pair of Democrats, Hurd and Rep. Don Bacon, R-Neb., outlined a bipartisan framework this week to temporarily extend the subsidies.

Even the conservative firebrand Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., has called for keeping them, despite her sharp criticism of Obamacare, saying the cost of health care is a top issue in her deep red district.

"The toothpaste is out of the tube," Greene wrote on X this month.

When the Affordable Care Act passed with zero Republican votes, this kind of acceptance would have been hard to imagine.


Fights over the ACA helped fuel a 2013 shutdown. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) held the Senate floor for more than 21 hours, railing against Obamacare and memorably reading from Dr. Seuss' Green Eggs and Ham.


Again, it does sound like they blinked. I agree with Jspur that it sucks and is unimpressive.

Separate from this specific political issue, but in another area with similar dynamics, I have my own personal reasons for knowing by now that blinking in the face of this kind of bullying and hostage taking cannot possibly be the right thing to do.

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Declare victory? WTF? Now that's a winning strategy... NewHendoLib Sunday #1
Seems to work well enough for the new American Nazi Party! (formerly AKA Republicans) Jack Valentino Sunday #27
between a rock and a hard place Skittles Sunday #2
Agreed.................... Lovie777 Sunday #8
When faced with a rock and a hard place... returnee Monday #88
another reason why Schumer NEEDS TO GO Skittles Monday #104
It's time to chuck Schumer Hassler Monday #114
WTELF!!!! vanessa_ca Sunday #3
But, be careful with the backstory? imanamerican63 Sunday #4
Well...I for one will feel better once I read the strongly worded letter chastising Johnson for not taking it up. n/t CincyDem Sunday #5
It would have been better TheFarseer Sunday #6
Someone's ass should be shown the door for this disaster, Schumer is a good choice. dem4decades Sunday #16
The real damage that Schumer did was giving permission for Democrats gab13by13 Sunday #26
What's next? What do we cave on next time? I can't wait to see. dem4decades Sunday #7
Theres no need to cave. We dont have any power left over anything to cave on. quakerboy Sunday #13
His dance on the Democrats this week will be painful to watch dem4decades Sunday #18
Excuses and throwing away the next election. quakerboy Sunday #9
Now now. Who else are people going to vote for? The Republicans for destroying healthcare Autumn Monday #116
Thank you Wander. Doodley Sunday #10
Thanks for the good laugh. ForgoTheConsequence Sunday #11
So what will Trump do next? leftstreet Sunday #12
In 2016 he said "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody" Seinan Sensei Monday #51
We were winning the public opinion war Happy Hoosier Sunday #14
Correct! They were on the ropes and the Senate threw the match. flashman13 Monday #50
Absolutely! berksdem Monday #110
Blocking Bread and Circuses Sunday #15
At what point does this party have a set of principles? Duncan Grant Sunday #17
If the first three paragraphs of your post are true (and I am not disputing them atm) RockRaven Sunday #19
I'm not sure, but your paragraphs 3- 5 make points. It's a horrid situation all around! electric_blue68 Sunday #20
Democrats just guaranteed they're 100% going to be blamed for the shutdown Arazi Sunday #21
After so much excitement over the political soap opera why would we not have a season 2? walkingman Sunday #22
Your not going to sell me on your Jspur Sunday #23
Bingo, you are proof of what I posted earlier, gab13by13 Sunday #28
So people who depend on SNAP benefits to survive should just go hungry Wiz Imp Sunday #37
So I should also risk going bankrupt without Jspur Monday #41
Very sorry to hear that jfz9580m Monday #62
Thank you for your kind Jspur Monday #73
That really sucks jfz9580m Monday #77
You seem to have missed the point entirely. Wiz Imp Monday #63
.. jfz9580m Monday #79
You seem to have missed the point as well. Wiz Imp Monday #85
Then what was the point of the shutdown at all? jfz9580m Monday #86
Budget reconciliation limitations have consequences EdmondDantes_ Monday #89
I disagree with your Jspur Monday #111
No point in responding to this because it's ridiculous. Wiz Imp Monday #112
Post removed Post removed Monday #113
Kicked and Recommended jfz9580m Tuesday #117
SNAP was court ordered to be restored and was within a day or two of full restoration Arazi Monday #44
SNAP was NOT within a day or 2 of full restoration. There was still a very good possibility Wiz Imp Monday #59
reluctant agreement HBguy Sunday #24
I hear you Skittles Monday #58
I don't understand this perspective angrychair Monday #64
I get what you're saying Skittles Monday #81
The difference I see with this shutdown misanthrope Sunday #25
So what was the point of the shutdown? choie Sunday #29
well, one thing for sure Skittles Monday #82
Oh, give me a break. hamsterjill Sunday #30
"You all perfectly content with allowing hunger to make a political point." Prairie Gates Sunday #33
Seriously. hamsterjill Sunday #35
Which side are you on NoRethugFriends Sunday #31
that is why we needed to keep the government shut down rampartd Sunday #32
What are you talking about? The government WILL continue to be shut down as long as the House valleyrogue Monday #49
the house will miraculously open as soon as trump needs them rampartd Monday #55
People were rallying to take care of each other house to house. LuvLoogie Sunday #34
" We won it because we made it an issue. " BULLSHIT. AverageOldGuy Sunday #36
I dare you to find a commentator who says anything positive about democrats EVER: live love laugh Monday #53
OUR SIDE WON! OUR SIDE WON! usonian Sunday #38
Grief Cirsium Monday #39
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So I don't feel as crappy as I thought? bagimin Monday #42
It's people like you..... flying-skeleton Monday #43
People, lots of us, myself included will die. herding cats Monday #45
I'm so sorry. That's so inadequate, but I don't know what else to say. Scrivener7 Monday #95
Most on here arent worried about where their next meal will come from. nt LexVegas Monday #46
Some are. And some are worried about where the money for their next treatment will come from. Scrivener7 Monday #94
Everybody is getting upset over nothing. Without the House in session, nothing is going to happen valleyrogue Monday #47
That is the single silver lining, but I'll bet my health insurance deductible that they try something Scrivener7 Monday #93
I believe that voters in '26 Mme. Defarge Monday #48
Need to be on top of messaging & outreach SunImp Monday #56
Messaging? Sure. That'll happen. Scrivener7 Monday #92
Republicans are going to pay the price for this Quiet Em Monday #52
Sure they will. BannonsLiver Monday #74
Message auto-removed Name removed Monday #54
Why do you call us "them"? lapucelle Monday #83
Not an overreaction ms.pamela Monday #57
There is a reason you don't negotiate with terrorists angrychair Monday #60
Its funny TheRealNorth Monday #61
in substantial agreement with the header on OP stopdiggin Monday #65
Chuck? Is that you? 0rganism Monday #66
Please Do Not Lecture. Thank You. ColoringFool Monday #67
Thank you. summer_in_TX Monday #68
But "Most Democrats in Congress" Don't Agree With.... ColoringFool Monday #71
Thank you, beautifully explained. betsuni Monday #72
They were winning according to polling. Why cave before even the polls changed? nt Blasphemer Monday #69
I agree with you Pototan Monday #70
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Monday #75
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Im surprised at my response srobertss Monday #78
These traitorous senators.... flying-skeleton Monday #80
What leverage did we have? It WAS a REPUBLICAN SHUTDOWN, Emile Monday #84
Stop orangecrush Monday #87
We declare a win and get on with the business of getting the votes for the subsidies. To do otherwise, is giving Vinca Monday #90
Declare victory? Patton French Monday #91
This is false "The Dems were not in a great position " uponit7771 Monday #96
"What leverage did we have?" Makes things extremely miserable faster..WHEN..Inde's were blaming MAGA uponit7771 Monday #97
Well, it's nice that you feel warm and fuzzy about this Bettie Monday #98
Amen. Thank you! QueerDuck Monday #99
This is the worst of bad takes. NT Happy Hoosier Monday #100
Yeah, okay jcmaine72 Monday #101
Way to go, Team! UT_democrat Monday #102
RULE: Never give Democrats the benefit of the doubt, always assume bad motivations, bash them on DU, betsuni Monday #103
Your Point is Good and True, yet I Still Disagree... Mr. Mustard 2023 Monday #105
What's over-the-top is the potential healthcare costs. Gore1FL Monday #106
Don't blame all creeksneakers2 Monday #107
If the support of casino owners matters that much to Cortez-Masto and Rosen then they just lost mine. pecosbob Monday #108
"Declare Victory" berksdem Monday #109
America is tough. They don't need no stinking healthcare. Autumn Monday #115
That's not the "best" we can hope for, but I guess that's the best that you could hope. Glad you're happy Jbraybarten Tuesday #118
It is Deminpenn Tuesday #119
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