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summer_in_TX

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39. Democrats in Congress were faced with a no-win moral dilemma.

Mon Nov 10, 2025, 10:07 AM

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A psychopathic autocrat who absolutely does not care about those who were and will be suffering. The Supreme Court was not guaranteed to order the restoration of SNAP benefits.

All they had were awful choices. Ending the shutdown now to prevent adults, seniors, and children from starving now, forced into bankruptcy, possibly losing their homes, and the trauma that economic upheaval causes to families and marriages. Or skyrocketing insurance premiums with many losing health insurance, some with pre-existing conditions, medical bankruptcies, some with losing their homes. They voted to end the one that involved starvation. They did gain attention on the skyrocketing health insurance premiums, as well as the Big Ugly Bill and its consequences. Plus Trump has been exposed as someone who will use hunger to compel people to bend the knee.

But I feel for the Senators. This kind of moral dilemma is devastating to have to consider, with no least-bad options.

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So what was the point? [View all] indusurb Monday OP

Need coffee. BBL rzemanfl Monday #1

She finally left her abusive husband! Chasstev365 Monday #2

The vote they will probably have is to Bettie Monday #3

You know, I counseled battered women. Not the best analogy Joinfortmill Monday #24

I think it is a good analogy. Irish_Dem Monday #46

We disagree. These women often struggle Joinfortmill Monday #49

Yes but the entire point of therapy is to help them sever the abusive bonds. Irish_Dem Monday #51

That is true, but the analogy was, to me, careless at best Joinfortmill Monday #54

I think it was a good analogy, but I truly understand & respect your dissenting opinion. Celerity Monday #70

+1 TheRealNorth Monday #71

There have been discussions for some time. cachukis Monday #4

If Schumer doesn't exact consequences... Happy Hoosier Monday #5

+1 million. Also primary him. Primary all of them Arazi Monday #7

He did not see the writing on the wall last time. cachukis Monday #10

He never HAD the necessary leadership skills WyLoochka Monday #68

Comity has been a loser for us for a long time. cachukis Monday #69

Do you think Bernie Sanders as minority leader would have prevented this? W_HAMILTON Monday #20

I'm not a Bernie fan, so no. NT Happy Hoosier Monday #22

Then tell us who would have. W_HAMILTON Monday #23

Someone younger. Corey Booker has some fire. Happy Hoosier Monday #27

You think any of those that voted for this would have been swayed by a passionate speech from Booker? W_HAMILTON Monday #31

Booker would have pulled committee assignments and threatened campaign funding Arazi Monday #37

Would he? And if he did, would he be voted in as minority leader to begin with? W_HAMILTON Monday #40

Worked for Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. I'm not sure why we're even too afraid to do that? Arazi Monday #42

Harry Reid was a great leader, but he had issues as well. W_HAMILTON Monday #62

Is there any precedent in the modern Senate for such high profile sanctions against a large group of members? tritsofme Monday #56

lol, seriously? Schumer sacked?! Don't tempt me... Arazi Monday #58

A Senate leader who tried to strip the committee assignments of 8 senators for this vote would not last long. tritsofme Monday #60

I like most of Bernie's ideas and policy plans, but he has never been effective at getting things passed Attilatheblond Monday #57

And that was my point. Maybe it's time to put some fan favorites in power and let's see them do better. W_HAMILTON Monday #64

I agree. Bernie has his strengths. What people need to remember - being an effective leader requires yellow dahlia Monday #79

I think the Dems have been in disarray for some time. cachukis Monday #61

This absolutely smells. Conveniently 8 senators who aren't running again cave. CentralMass Monday #76

David Hogg doesn't sound like a smart ass now, does he? Duncan Grant Monday #82

Exactly. SNAP benefits were on the cusp of being restored Arazi Monday #6

I think delays and cuts to air travel were the deciding factor. Lonestarblue Monday #26

The air traffic issue would have forced the end of the shutdown within a week Arazi Monday #32

Republicans would never pass single payer health care. Hell they don't care if people DIE Bengus81 Monday #38

Curious to see how many of the 8 get well paid pretend jobs on Airline boards of directors. Attilatheblond Monday #59

To stop the No Kings protests? Emile Monday #8

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Monday #17

There wasn't any it appears. I thought there was since it excited and encouraged so many people Nanjeanne Monday #9

Less than a week after the election Shrek Monday #11

That future ACA vote.... surfered Monday #12

Exactly BigMin28 Monday #13

Republicans in Congress are LAUGHING their asses off at Democrats Bengus81 Monday #41

Are we screwed either way -- anyway? Festivito Monday #14

We won. We made a point. (Satire) usonian Monday #15

Are you tired of winning as I am? Emile Monday #28

Oh, Senator Schumer, we're full of dismay. ( From the musical East Wing Story) usonian Monday #44

This Gen X mom agrees with you - and you can be sure most of Gen Z agrees - TBF Monday #16

Epstein file..... Johnson will have to swear in the new member. ashredux Monday #18

We'll see. I'm not holding my breath though. Emile Monday #25

Epstein files? HAH! indusurb Monday #29

Our "health care" system is a trainwreck, ACA or not dwayneb Monday #36

I agree with you wholeheartedly indusurb Monday #43

We will NEVER berksdem Monday #80

Forever the party berksdem Monday #19

That's what kills me. They sacrificed victory on the altar of defeat vanessa_ca Monday #73

Traitors..... flying-skeleton Monday #21

All 8 aren't running again. CentralMass Monday #78

We sure showed them! Sneederbunk Monday #30

The main point was making Republicans feel the pain dwayneb Monday #33

No, the point was to prevent an estimated 50,000 people from dying due to the lack of affordable health insurance indusurb Monday #35

Tim FUCKING Kaine. He was just a hair from being the VP Bengus81 Monday #34

Democrats in Congress were faced with a no-win moral dilemma. summer_in_TX Monday #39

They opted for the option that will kill an estimated 50,000 people annually due to sky high premiums indusurb Monday #48

I understand and it's an awful thing. summer_in_TX Monday #83

Embolden tRump Blue Full Moon Monday #45

It's all Kabuki theater. Irish_Dem Monday #47

Didn't they get DownriverDem Monday #50

From a long range strategic perspective, for reasons too numerous to go into here, I don't think it was all that Fil1957 Monday #52

Oh, There Are Rationales, To Be Sure. But The Voters.... ColoringFool Monday #53

Remember their names, write them down somewhere with your 'important papers' Attilatheblond Monday #55

I suspected that the Dems had already... Tranquil72 Monday #63

So they opted for more real pain in the form ofskyrocketing insurance premiums, indusurb Monday #67

The DLC and other party leadership groups saw... TransitJohn Monday #65

+1 leftstreet Monday #66

The POINT was TWO-FOLD: Martin Eden Monday #72

Nothing was going to change edisdead Monday #74

The Republicans didn't cave. OrwellwasRight Monday #81

Good question lets ask the 8 backstabbers republianmushroom Monday #75

We blew a ton of capital and got bupkis C_U_L8R Monday #77