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angrychair

(11,469 posts) Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:56 PM Monday

We Just Giving Up? [View all]

I have now seen several posts from people basically shrugging their shoulders and "guess we just move on" from a catastrophic shit show that happened less than 24 hours ago.

The entire point of the shutdown was the ACA subsidies.

Not SNAP. Not the Epstein files. Not the VA. Not any other reason but the ACA subsidies.

The Senate Democrats literally shut down the government for the ACA subsidies. People suffered. Ran out of food. Lost their jobs. Lost their pay. Unbelievable stress and anxiety.

For 40 days

Then Senate Democrats just go: "nah, nevermind" and cave, gave Republicans everything they wanted in the first place and failed to achieve the objective of the whole damn reason they had the shutdown.

Best case tens of thousands of people die.
Most likely outcome is the entire healthcare system will collapse.

We lied to people and if none of you think that wont have consequences in November we will all soon see.

I for one am not letting Schumer or these 8 Democrats off the hook. We got screwed for no damn reason at all.

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We Just Giving Up? [View all] angrychair Monday OP

I see the midterm mailers already leftstreet Monday #1

I see the midterm mailers already ... usonian Monday #11

DACO Seinan Sensei Monday #46

IMO there is no way to spin this to avoid a conclusion of major strategic failure. RockRaven Monday #2

One could argue that when the bill comes due and millions see the result, Dems are in a good position AZJonnie Monday #21

I think the 3rd option SHOULD BE the democratic message: Volaris Monday #36

Your idea falls generally under my 2nd option :) AZJonnie Monday #40

major strategic failure? Pffft. This was sabotage. A knife in the back. LuvLoogie Monday #38

I want to know why these 10 Democratic cowards were not outed before this capitulation. Bozvotros Monday #50

I would hope not Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Monday #3

I cannot angrychair Monday #9

He has done it twice now (not to mention ACB's nomination) usonian Monday #14

I'm right there with you. MarineCombatEngineer Monday #15

Agreed people Monday #17

The only reason the Senate exists USS_Dauntless Monday #49

Kick orangecrush Monday #4

No. But let's not kid ourselves.... Happy Hoosier Monday #5

More than that Cirsium Monday #10

Spot on Cirsium Marie Marie Monday #32

Totally agree. Happy Hoosier Monday #72

The worst thing Cirsium Monday #73

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Monday #57

Just warming up. H2O Man Monday #6

7 Dems. 1 Ind. niyad Monday #7

Ridiculous. Stop it. QueerDuck Monday #8

You stop it Cirsium Monday #12

Oh good grief. I'm doing no such thing. I know that it can be difficult to face reality... QueerDuck Monday #22

No one said you are the enemy Cirsium Monday #54

No. I'm attacking nobody. I'm the messenger telling the truth that is hard to accept. QueerDuck Monday #61

You are not a victim Cirsium Monday #67

Again... I forgive you. QueerDuck Monday #68

Message auto-removed Name removed Monday #13

Are you ignoring my point angrychair Monday #16

The shutdown was a stupid idea to start with edisdead Monday #19

That will not be the story - watch and see. lark Monday #27

It's clear to me that the expectations were unrealistic to begin with. Therefore... QueerDuck Monday #20

I didn't create that expectation angrychair Monday #24

I never said you did. It's all politics. They were also hoping for a better outcome... QueerDuck Monday #25

I'm not rewarding them angrychair Monday #29

They made no promises, they had goals, but this time it failed. Yet you expected victory. These are your expectations... QueerDuck Monday #30

Food VS Healthcare EarthAbides Monday #34

Now vs later. We are not "in charge" and this was a battle we were always going to lose. Always! QueerDuck Monday #37

This message was self-deleted by its author QueerDuck Monday #44

The ACA is mortally wounded, this *was* the fight to save it, and our champions folded like cheap suits 0rganism Monday #41

Again... we were NEVER going to win this fight. Never. QueerDuck Monday #43

We'll never have more leverage to continue the ACA funding than we *had* on Saturday 0rganism Monday #51

No we didn't. It was an illusion. A fantasy. QueerDuck Monday #52

We'll never know now, will we? 0rganism Monday #55

No... "most Democrats" are not indulging in this type of self-destructive behavior... QueerDuck Monday #60

OK, we'll see more of what the polls say RSN, but from what I'm seeing so far it's not looking good for Schumer's 8 0rganism Monday #63

DU is a microcosm and does not represent... QueerDuck Monday #69

This message was self-deleted by its author 0rganism Monday #70

Ah, so DU "does not represent the greater world that understands political realities", very nice. 0rganism Monday #71

If democrats win back one or both SocialDemocrat61 Monday #53

IF. Used to be a "when", now, thanks to the senate's stupidity, it's definitely an "if". 0rganism Monday #58

It's always an if SocialDemocrat61 Monday #64

Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!?! Fiendish Thingy Monday #18

Great flick. I only saw it ONE time... in an actual theater. QueerDuck Monday #39

"The Senate Democrats literally shut down the government..." Patton French Monday #23

Yeah, Moses just said he would not bring the ACA vote to the House floor. lark Monday #26

And it will then be 100% the GOP's fault. That's a win. beaglelover Monday #31

Then what? BannonsLiver Monday #59

There wouldn't have been a vote in the House Red Mountain Monday #35

K&R spanone Monday #28

I haven't but I have given up on our senators to have a spine nt Javaman Monday #33

I can say it any other way other than berksdem Monday #42

Not all senate democrats SocialDemocrat61 Monday #45

Oh look! A reasonable voice. Thank you. But... sadly, you'll be drowned out by a chorus of irrational hatred. QueerDuck Monday #47

The Impotent Eight taught the Republicans a lesson....... Escape Monday #48

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Monday #56

No. We are not giving up. yellow dahlia Monday #62

Good comments angrychair Monday #65

Ezra is a great communicator. Eloquent writing and cogent summary. yellow dahlia Monday #66