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H2O Man

(78,255 posts)
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 02:11 PM Monday

"I've Had It" [View all]

What to do at 1 am on a rainy night when this old bag of lard & bones aches? I had been under a quilt in my rocking chair, watching a podcast that I like. I had first come across it a few weeks ago. After catching up on a few episodes, I came on to DU:GD to see what, if anything, new was going on. So I read a few OP/threads about a Senate deal, and the reactions of two distinct groups – those okay with what some Senate Democrats are doing, and those who feel betrayed.

After over twenty years here, it does not come as a shock that there can be harsh disagreements on this forum. Is it possible that there are trolls afoot? Maybe some kids who weigh three to four times their IQ, in their mother's basement? Maybe. Even a single actual political operative, seeking to stir the pot? Or might one have to kid themselves to think such an unlikely thing in November of 2025?

Now, I wanted two things: first, for Democrats to break republicans, and second, to be 100% sure that people had food and health care. That would seem the least a civilized society could provide. Deep down, of course, I favor improving our educational system, including lowering the cost of public colleges and universities.

That may be in large part because I am convinced that one of the most dangerously entrenched problems today is economic warfare. It seems we are to avoid talking about this in proper society. We can talk about sexism, racism, street crime, inflation, and the president's tiny, mushroom-shaped prick, as one of my friends recently pointed out. But not how the opulently wealthy are treating the vast majority of American citizens. Thus, I will not even so much as hint at the context in which I view the cruelty involved in current events.

Instead, I'll recommend that people watch the podcast “I've Had It.” It features two women – Jennifer Welch, a Democrat, and Angie Sullivan, a former republican. They have interviewed individuals including Barack Obama, Elizabeth Warren, and Kamala Harris on their show. But they lean to the left, and thus have also interviewed AOC, Bernie Sanders, and Zohran Mamdani.

On of the things they stress is that we should look to see who their biggest sources of income are, in order to understand the positions they take, and votes they cast. If they take substantial income from a foreign lobbyist, perhaps one that isn't registered as much, it just might influence their stance on foreign affairs. Or if they take money from a domestic source, it is within the realm of possibility that this could influence their votes.

Now, this is just my opinion, but a government that will support the cruelty that one nation inflicts upon human beings – let's say the people of Gaza and the West Bank – is capable of inflicting cruelty upon segments of its own population. Others may disagree – perhaps strongly – and I can respect that. This is merely the thinking of an old man, in the early hours after skimming through DU:GD. I shall wait until I wake up later to decide if I'll even post this.

Last Tuesday, a number of different Democrats won elections. In some places, a progressive candidate may win where an establishment candidate such as Andrew Cuomo cannot. Yet in other cities and states, a conservative Democrat may be the best candidate. But one thing seems clear, at least to me: to win in both 2026 and 2028, our party needs the support of liberal and progressive independents. And the supporting of cutting back on the social safety net is not going to gain their support. In other words, we don't need the Weather Channel to see which way the wind blows.

Finally, let's be respectful of those on this forum who hold different opinions. Harsh and insulting responses will not change minds.

(Note: As a result of some interactions here this afternoon, I decided I would post this, which I wrote in the wee mourning hours.)

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"I've Had It" [View all] H2O Man Monday OP
Food for thought. MarineCombatEngineer Monday #1
Thank you! H2O Man Monday #2
Trolls afoot ? Possibly but there appears to many long time members here who do not like this vote. CentralMass Monday #3
Right. H2O Man Monday #4
I was accused of being one last week. maxsolomon Monday #9
Years ago, H2O Man Monday #41
Most times I think DU prefers Pollyannas to realists. maxsolomon Monday #53
Exactly! H2O Man Monday #56
I'M ONE OF THEM. THIS VOTE IS AN ABOMINATION. Maru Kitteh Monday #64
There are trolls on every forum. And we should expect more trollish activity as AI bots proliferate. In this case Bluetus Tuesday #103
I have been feeling storm-lashed today Easterncedar Monday #5
And thank you! H2O Man Monday #6
There are trolls here Easterncedar Monday #8
My children note H2O Man Monday #26
One of my very favorite tales! Easterncedar Monday #39
In the 1990s, H2O Man Monday #46
What title did you use, may I ask? Easterncedar Monday #48
I shall send H2O Man Monday #54
You are kind Easterncedar Monday #57
Progressive or not, we need to weed out cowards. This is Armageddon for democracy. usonian Monday #7
Way back in time, H2O Man Monday #27
Thank you! Point well made. . . . h2ebits Monday #29
I still have H2O Man Monday #47
I'll have to remember. . . . . h2ebits Monday #82
He predicted that H2O Man Tuesday #101
I love this Easterncedar Monday #40
+1 Maru Kitteh Monday #75
What "cowards" are you talking about? Random Boomer Tuesday #102
Those two women give me life! demmiblue Monday #10
They are fantastic! Tom Dyer Monday #12
Thank you! H2O Man Monday #28
Good thoughts. spanone Monday #11
Thanks! H2O Man Monday #31
I'm thankful you decided to post this. Mystery To Me Monday #13
Well thanks! H2O Man Monday #32
I too am in mourning. cachukis Monday #14
Ha! H2O Man Monday #33
Did you? Doble entendre? cachukis Monday #44
Yes. H2O Man Monday #49
Thought so. I too, use them and most often, they go cachukis Monday #55
In high school, H2O Man Monday #59
Remarkable. cachukis Monday #71
I agree. LoisB Monday #15
Thanks! H2O Man Monday #34
I hear a lot about how liberal ideas can't win in places; Let's test the theory and try sometime. nt Gore1FL Monday #16
Right! H2O Man Monday #35
IHIP news - great podcast. yellow dahlia Monday #17
Thank you. H2O Man Monday #38
I was one of those who was upset with her ruling Lifeafter70 Monday #81
Right. H2O Man Tuesday #99
Thank you H2O Man. c-rational Monday #18
Thank you! H2O Man Monday #50
I believe you were trying to say True Dough Monday #87
Not sure how that happened...but I do always enjoy H2O's posts. In anyt event, thanks for the smile. c-rational Monday #89
What's not to enjoy? True Dough Monday #91
The problem is that this deal won't get people health care. Their premiums are going to sky rocket flashman13 Monday #19
Absolutely. H2O Man Monday #52
I'm just a joe average dummy and I figured it out. Either the Quislings are really stupid (not imposible) or flashman13 Monday #69
It's sad, but I fear the Senate acted just as the founding fathers intended...to prevent mob-rule, aka democracy. pecosbob Monday #20
Very good! H2O Man Monday #73
The "mourning" hours have been here since Trump got elected. ananda Monday #21
True. H2O Man Tuesday #100
Yes, agree. I would worry if we weren't. ananda Tuesday #104
I see it not so much as a cycle of outrageous news EmmaLee E Tuesday #108
thanks for your insight. AllaN01Bear Monday #22
Those two had me at: OneGrassRoot Monday #23
I found them to be hyperbolic and often very anti-Democratic party bigtree Monday #24
Oh, heavens ..... H2O Man Monday #30
I was talking about the ladies on the podcast bigtree Monday #58
Ha! H2O Man Monday #60
Not sure why this needed to include a fat insult Betty Boom Monday #25
Where did this happen? Jersey Devil Monday #36
I assume the other poster was vexed about this: Celerity Monday #63
This Betty Boom Tuesday #94
Oh, that's easy. H2O Man Monday #61
Haha! I prefer chunky and Scots/Irish babylonsister Monday #83
That's fine for you, if it's actually true Betty Boom Tuesday #95
I think that H2O Man Tuesday #98
Hello! Well, I fall square in the camp that feels betrayed by institutionalist Dems. However... PatrickforB Monday #37
I hear you. H2O Man Monday #62
Darned right! I'm with you on fighting the good fight. n/t PatrickforB Monday #74
Been watching "I've Had It' godsentme Monday #42
Me, too. H2O Man Monday #65
I knew there was a reason I liked you lol Lifeafter70 Monday #84
Yep, old age has its advantages and disadvantages multigraincracker Monday #43
Beautiful! H2O Man Monday #66
I love "I've Had It". Great post, thanks much. Joinfortmill Monday #45
Thank you! H2O Man Monday #68
"...one markodochartaigh Monday #51
Definitely! H2O Man Monday #72
Good post mvd Monday #67
My thoughts on this revolve around 3 questions: Martin Eden Monday #70
I appreciate your thoughts very much. And I agree. Ninga Monday #76
We have all been on outrage overload for a long time. Martin Eden Monday #78
So well said. Emotional fatigue is real. Ninga Monday #80
Always bringing us back to balance, H2O Man. Thank you Clouds Passing Monday #77
I watch IHIP News on Youtube all the time AZProgressive Monday #79
FOLLOW THE $$$$$$$$ BigmanPigman Monday #85
Always a voice of reason... bagimin Monday #86
Fine thoughts, well heeded. Queso Delicioso Monday #88
Wise words, as always, H2O Man. True Dough Monday #90
It's funny, today I felt - for the 1st time in a very long time Bristlecone Monday #92
Thanks for the tip on "I've Had It." Pinback Monday #93
Thanks H20 man jfz9580m Tuesday #96
So true: "Harsh and insulting responses will not change minds. " DFW Tuesday #97
Why are so many trying to blame this on Schumer, and pushing the idea that he picked who was going to cave in? Pompoy Tuesday #105
I must form a third group: the SSDD group. malthaussen Tuesday #106
Insightful Comments greblach Tuesday #107
Appreciate your musings, thank you Wild blueberry Tuesday #109
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