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Martin Eden

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32. In my view, the "capitulation" boils down to this: was there ANY CHANCE Republicans would restore the ACA subsidies?

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Mon Nov 10, 2025, 02:11 PM

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Pass it in the Senate, pass it in the House, and get Trump to sign it?

Seriously, what was the chance of those three things happening?

Destroying the "Welfare State" embodied in Project 2025 has been the long-term goal of Republicans for generations. Trump was practically gleeful when the government shut down, because it advanced that agenda.

If there was essentially zero chance of restoring the ACA subsidies by holding out, what sense did it make to continue the shutdown?

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