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mr715

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129. Yes.

Mon Nov 10, 2025, 03:24 PM

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There could be another shutdown in January, and it'll be predicated on the fact that Democratic leadership, despite being in the minority, positively INSIST on governing. They are playing make believe, and the people are suffering.

Trump won the shutdown.

Any shutdown, moving forward, we know will leave the Democratic party on the defensive because we inevitably insist on filling in the gaps when the Republican party can't whip their votes.

Yes. Yes it is a big problem that we care more about Thanksgiving travel than we do about reigning in the power of a unitary executive. By funding the government we have treated a permission structure that says quite clearly, "This government is legitimate and I support the measures it is taking,".

Prove me wrong.

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Again. Squaredeal Sunday #1

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He was using all the Americans as hostages. And he was threatening to kill them all yellow dahlia Sunday #22

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Where is your evidence? creeksneakers2 Monday #144

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Agree, why protest ? republianmushroom Monday #123

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"What would you have THEM do?" Lancero Sunday #24

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Agreed mostly. hamsterjill Monday #102

It was an uphill battle unfortunately gulliver Monday #108

I absolutely hope that YOU are correct. hamsterjill Monday #110

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I'm funny to you? gulliver Monday #122

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Peculiar? BWdem4life Monday #73

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Really? All Democrats? You think I'm responsible? Bobstandard Sunday #35

Fine they should get what they deserve vercetti2021 Sunday #36

4d chess. Republicans refuse to pass the ACA extensions, and we can blame them... Lancero Sunday #26

No Jon Stewart was right Bobstandard Sunday #37

It's not millions of Americans angrychair Sunday #31

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This right here fujiyamasan Monday #77

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Hear Hear! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Monday #83

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Such incredible weakness by the leaders of the Democratic Party ..... Escape Sunday #16

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She'd win in a landslide LR3 Monday #142

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DACO LuvLoogie Sunday #30

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They are laughing their asses off. Emile Sunday #25

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I think this is a good assessment petronius Sunday #41

Weak sauce. nt Bobstandard Sunday #48

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I wish I shared your optimism. Gimpyknee Sunday #44

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I would ForgedCrank Sunday #62

Toodles. hatrack Sunday #63

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Great way to look at the situation. Katinfl Monday #92

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100 percent lakercub Monday #111

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The Democrats who voted for this... flying-skeleton Sunday #55

The fact that two retiring Dems voted for it tells you that a lot more supported it Prairie Gates Sunday #58

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Oh, it was arranged such that nobody is up next year Prairie Gates Monday #81

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Yes. mr715 Monday #129

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But not really, right? mr715 Monday #132

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