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Martin Eden

(15,173 posts)
48. This WAS just one battle in a longer war.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 03:54 PM
Monday

It was an unwinnable battle.

Honestly, what WAS the likelihood all 3 of these things would happen by prolonging the shutdown:
1. ACA subsidies pass the Senate
2. and pass the House
3. and Trump signs the legislation

Republicans have wanted to destroy the "Welfare State" for generations. If there was no realistic chance of saving the ACA subsidies by prolonging the shutdown, the consequence would be even more pain for the most vulnerable as the Project 2025 agenda advances.

It's easy to stand on principle if you don't rely on SNAP benefits to feed your hungry children.

Personally, I'm not currently impacted by the shutdown. Nobody in my extended family receives SNAP. I'm not a government employee working for no pay who is less likely to get back pay and more likely to be among the next mass layoff if not for the few concessions gained by ending the shutdown.

We can disagree about whether Trump and Republicans in the Senate & House were likely to concede and restore ACA subsidies.

But we want the same thing. I understand the frustration and anger at losing this battle, but in my opinion ending the shutdown was the least bad of two horrible options. Perhaps they should have waited to see how the lower court order to pay SNAP benefits finally played out in the Supreme Court -- but I'm not among the people going hungry in the meantime.

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This WAS the moment, Chuck [View all] orangecrush Monday OP
Schumer was reelected unanimously less than a year ago, I doubt there are 5 votes supporting his ouster. tritsofme Monday #1
Guess we're gonna find out. orangecrush Monday #2
It's the donors newdeal2 Monday #8
And they likely do not Bettie Monday #49
And that is why its fair to say this is the fault of all senate Democrats quakerboy Monday #29
That was before he showed himself edhopper Monday #34
He won't be a candidate in 2028. Du916 Monday #42
He was a guardian of wall street. thought crime Monday #62
It won't matter. Du916 Monday #68
Please chant 'we will win' dalton99a Monday #3
When he was holding Maxine Waters' hand in the air and chanting "we will win", yellow dahlia Monday #58
I am sorely disappointed at Sen. Schumer and those Dems that decided to cross over and screw us. MarineCombatEngineer Monday #4
Chips? orangecrush Monday #5
Damn, I am too, guess I'll make me some fractured tacos. MarineCombatEngineer Monday #6
Sounds great! orangecrush Monday #7
I've been eating Celerity's peanut butter noodles Ponietz Monday #19
Damn, that looks delicious, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #21
Sometimes drunken rants are the most righteous. BannonsLiver Monday #9
Truth orangecrush Monday #12
Let's gather up the pieces of our historic "WE MADE A POINT" win and move on. usonian Monday #27
What is your poison? nt mr715 Monday #56
I live in Nevada. Both of my elected Democratic Senators voted to re-open the government. pecosbob Monday #10
This message was self-deleted by its author sagetea Monday #16
Your Senators are banking on the short memories of other Nevadans. maxsolomon Monday #18
My senators are fighters .... Oregons Ron Wyden and jeff merkley Trueblue1968 Tuesday #69
Surviving the moment, keeping their powder dry, living to fight another day...habitual Democratic behavior. sop Monday #11
You forgot popsdenver Monday #37
Even if they have children, grand children, or even great grandchildren Samael13 Monday #44
When are we going to start this mythical fight Chuck? crimycarny Monday #13
Fuck Chuck. Dick Dick. CanonRay Monday #14
Senator Jeanne Shaheen revealed that Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer knew the entire time Autumn Monday #15
Yes, I saw that orangecrush Monday #22
As the saying goes: MarineCombatEngineer Monday #23
Or there's the George W bush version fujiyamasan Monday #25
I really thought this was our time. And there comes defeat right out of the jaws of victory. Autumn Monday #28
Our party, sadly, has a history of this. MarineCombatEngineer Monday #31
That's what I can't wrap my mind around. Tuesday happens , and they sell us out Monday six days later. Autumn Monday #32
The Senate NOT the Peoples House. thought crime Monday #66
I think it becomes a game of chicken when Air Traffic Control starts to degrade. thought crime Monday #64
With Schumer we're somewhere past 40. thought crime Monday #63
Then fucking fight Dumbass Alpeduez21 Monday #17
This was is, I'm afraid. Happy Hoosier Monday #20
A small corretion: 7 Dems and 1 Ind. niyad Monday #24
Thanks orangecrush Monday #26
Did anyone really believe Republicans would concede? IronLionZion Monday #30
And guess what? Republican are being handed a peasant class of desperate low Autumn Monday #33
Did you expect a different outcome? IronLionZion Monday #35
I really thought they wouldn't capitulate without some guarantee. But Schumer went with the plan he Autumn Monday #36
"we didn't have any indication before the shutdown started that our Republican colleagues were willing to address it" IronLionZion Monday #38
We have to keep in mind that there is essentially no functional US Congress now. thought crime Monday #67
We will never know now, will we? Javaman Monday #46
What would that look like? IronLionZion Monday #50
And they will always blame us, so we should just not try? nt Javaman Monday #52
Try what specifically? IronLionZion Monday #55
Oh lord. We're done. Javaman Monday #59
Still old guard Democrats ruling the party. republianmushroom Monday #39
It seems like a good time... GiqueCee Monday #40
When the say, "we are listening" Javaman Monday #47
Gong Show ZDU Monday #41
until hes ousted i will no longer give a nickle to the dems moonshinegnomie Monday #43
Yes it was. spanone Monday #45
This WAS just one battle in a longer war. Martin Eden Monday #48
I am on snap I_UndergroundPanther Monday #60
My point was I care even though it's not affecting me Martin Eden Monday #61
At least Jilly_in_VA Monday #51
Remember how Hawley and Murkowski were mocked Ruby the Liberal Monday #53
Traitors amongst us! flying-skeleton Monday #54
It's time to chuck Schumer Hassler Monday #57
"This fight will and must continue!!!!.... jcmaine72 Monday #65
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