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QueerDuck

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37. Now vs later. We are not "in charge" and this was a battle we were always going to lose. Always!

Mon Nov 10, 2025, 04:05 PM

Nov 10

To the best of my recollection, the "shutdown party" has never gotten everything they wanted. We are working from a position of weakness. We are not in charge. We are the minority party. The GOP controls EVERYTHING (all three branches, the courts, and the media.) What exactly were you expecting?

Yes... I agree. We need to "rise up" by supporting our party and by placing the blame WHERE IT BELONGS... in the lap of the GOP. (Attacking Democrats is not the way to "rise up".)

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We Just Giving Up? [View all] angrychair Nov 10 OP

I see the midterm mailers already leftstreet Nov 10 #1

I see the midterm mailers already ... usonian Nov 10 #11

DACO Seinan Sensei Nov 10 #46

IMO there is no way to spin this to avoid a conclusion of major strategic failure. RockRaven Nov 10 #2

One could argue that when the bill comes due and millions see the result, Dems are in a good position AZJonnie Nov 10 #21

I think the 3rd option SHOULD BE the democratic message: Volaris Nov 10 #36

Your idea falls generally under my 2nd option :) AZJonnie Nov 10 #40

major strategic failure? Pffft. This was sabotage. A knife in the back. LuvLoogie Nov 10 #38

I want to know why these 10 Democratic cowards were not outed before this capitulation. Bozvotros Nov 10 #50

I would hope not Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 10 #3

I cannot angrychair Nov 10 #9

He has done it twice now (not to mention ACB's nomination) usonian Nov 10 #14

I'm right there with you. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 10 #15

Agreed people Nov 10 #17

The only reason the Senate exists USS_Dauntless Nov 10 #49

Kick orangecrush Nov 10 #4

No. But let's not kid ourselves.... Happy Hoosier Nov 10 #5

More than that Cirsium Nov 10 #10

Spot on Cirsium Marie Marie Nov 10 #32

Totally agree. Happy Hoosier Nov 10 #72

The worst thing Cirsium Nov 10 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #57

Just warming up. H2O Man Nov 10 #6

7 Dems. 1 Ind. niyad Nov 10 #7

Ridiculous. Stop it. QueerDuck Nov 10 #8

You stop it Cirsium Nov 10 #12

Oh good grief. I'm doing no such thing. I know that it can be difficult to face reality... QueerDuck Nov 10 #22

No one said you are the enemy Cirsium Nov 10 #54

No. I'm attacking nobody. I'm the messenger telling the truth that is hard to accept. QueerDuck Nov 10 #61

You are not a victim Cirsium Nov 10 #67

Again... I forgive you. QueerDuck Nov 10 #68

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 10 #13

Are you ignoring my point angrychair Nov 10 #16

The shutdown was a stupid idea to start with edisdead Nov 10 #19

That will not be the story - watch and see. lark Nov 10 #27

It's clear to me that the expectations were unrealistic to begin with. Therefore... QueerDuck Nov 10 #20

I didn't create that expectation angrychair Nov 10 #24

I never said you did. It's all politics. They were also hoping for a better outcome... QueerDuck Nov 10 #25

I'm not rewarding them angrychair Nov 10 #29

They made no promises, they had goals, but this time it failed. Yet you expected victory. These are your expectations... QueerDuck Nov 10 #30

Food VS Healthcare EarthAbides Nov 10 #34

Now vs later. We are not "in charge" and this was a battle we were always going to lose. Always! QueerDuck Nov 10 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author QueerDuck Nov 10 #44

The ACA is mortally wounded, this *was* the fight to save it, and our champions folded like cheap suits 0rganism Nov 10 #41

Again... we were NEVER going to win this fight. Never. QueerDuck Nov 10 #43

We'll never have more leverage to continue the ACA funding than we *had* on Saturday 0rganism Nov 10 #51

No we didn't. It was an illusion. A fantasy. QueerDuck Nov 10 #52

We'll never know now, will we? 0rganism Nov 10 #55

No... "most Democrats" are not indulging in this type of self-destructive behavior... QueerDuck Nov 10 #60

OK, we'll see more of what the polls say RSN, but from what I'm seeing so far it's not looking good for Schumer's 8 0rganism Nov 10 #63

DU is a microcosm and does not represent... QueerDuck Nov 10 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author 0rganism Nov 10 #70

Ah, so DU "does not represent the greater world that understands political realities", very nice. 0rganism Nov 10 #71

If democrats win back one or both SocialDemocrat61 Nov 10 #53

IF. Used to be a "when", now, thanks to the senate's stupidity, it's definitely an "if". 0rganism Nov 10 #58

It's always an if SocialDemocrat61 Nov 10 #64

Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!?! Fiendish Thingy Nov 10 #18

Great flick. I only saw it ONE time... in an actual theater. QueerDuck Nov 10 #39

"The Senate Democrats literally shut down the government..." Patton French Nov 10 #23

Yeah, Moses just said he would not bring the ACA vote to the House floor. lark Nov 10 #26

And it will then be 100% the GOP's fault. That's a win. beaglelover Nov 10 #31

Then what? BannonsLiver Nov 10 #59

There wouldn't have been a vote in the House Red Mountain Nov 10 #35

K&R spanone Nov 10 #28

I haven't but I have given up on our senators to have a spine nt Javaman Nov 10 #33

I can say it any other way other than berksdem Nov 10 #42

Not all senate democrats SocialDemocrat61 Nov 10 #45

Oh look! A reasonable voice. Thank you. But... sadly, you'll be drowned out by a chorus of irrational hatred. QueerDuck Nov 10 #47

The Impotent Eight taught the Republicans a lesson....... Escape Nov 10 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #56

No. We are not giving up. yellow dahlia Nov 10 #62

Good comments angrychair Nov 10 #65

Ezra is a great communicator. Eloquent writing and cogent summary. yellow dahlia Nov 10 #66