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AZProgressive

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147. Why are there not enough votes?

Mon Nov 10, 2025, 07:39 PM

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I understand as well as anyone universal health care isn't easy. One of Harry Truman's biggest regrets was he couldn't get universal health care, he couldn't even get a vote on it but he felt it would have been an extension of the New Deal so I understand how long it has been tried and how long it may take to succeed.

Why can't congress come together and agree on a universal health care plan? It is most likely due to the lobbyists or their donors. Blue Cross/Blue Shield advertised heavily during the 2020 Democratic debates. There are a lot of monied interests that are working against plans that help the average American.

I think the best strategy is to vote for candidates that have medicare for all in their platform. We start the negotiating from there and compromise elsewhere. There is little evidence a moderate/centrist plan on health care will get enough Republican votes or is even an effective electoral strategy to try to win by a landslide to have enough votes to pass whatever you think we can get if we can't have universal health care.

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