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bigtree

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Mon Nov 10, 2025, 08:04 PM Monday

Republicans and their bull don't shake me as much as the dragging of our party and leaders in Dem forums [View all]

...I'm fully prepared to fight republicans on every level, at every opportunity.

But, what shakes me to my core are the organized efforts that get Democrats tearing at each other instead of the republican opposition; especially after the last time Dems convinced each other to pull down the person voters chose to run against Trump, a hair away from the election.

I get it, probably more than the people who engage in it do. It's not like I have some special place in this world where I'm immune to the madness that we're all experiencing at the hands of republicans.

I don't have that kind of life - I have the opposite existence where its like the government has been stalking me with every republican attack on the progressive progress we've achieved in the last century.

You see these types of reactions in dysfunctional families where spouses or parents lash out at vulnerable family members to compensate for their inability to strike back at the actual ones hurting them. Classic transference.

And, look, we've already been victim to this political dissonance encouraged against the Democratic party by hurt people pulling down their own elected leaders just because they could do that definitive thing and feel satisfied they'd at least managed something in response to how hurt they feel.

It's not an excuse, and it clearly misses the mark - so what's the end game?

I'll remind folks of what organized propagandists are doing every day and every hour on the media directed toward us to foment divisions by using 'wedge' issues designed to ignite, inflame, and ultimately distract Democrats from their opposition to republicans.

I mean, even if you don't consider yourself influenced by all of that trolling, does it really sound like something you should be engaging in?

If that sounds a little desperate, then so be it. It's some really insidious shit to watch the wave of mostly disaffected republicans with podcasts and anchor positions eager to claim Democrats 'caved' on something.

I'd guess they're eager to try and make their own former party affiliations look less sordid and as patently anti-American as the present republican party they're now posturing to oppose. Ostensibly doing this dragging on our behalf as they work to form a better and more effective Democratic party than their own decrepit republican one?

No. Fuck no.

When I hear this anti-Dem shit going down, all I can see in front of me is an implosion, basically a retreat. And that's oh so special to this lifelong Democrat who has fought through GENERATIONS of self-immolating pundits entreating Democrats to eat their own.

If that's something that's now considered normal, and I suspect it has become normalized for Democrats to attack the family first and foremost, then there's no limit to the potential gaslighting available to shake the party to the core.

Someone convince me we're not going arm in arm to loser town again. Better yet, count me out of all that. I've already see this fucking movie before.

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Have you thought about running for office? You said you are willing to fight and we need some fighters in DC. LonePirate Monday #1
Bahahahahahaha BannonsLiver Monday #5
Tell us about Merrick Garland again Ponietz Monday #2
Merrick Garland Democrats! John Coktosten Tuesday #77
Garland had a R by his name, last I checked. GreenWave Tuesday #91
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Monday #3
What gets me is people looking at results like these and saying "well, they did their best, RockRaven Monday #4
Post removed Post removed Monday #6
Got a link? And she was the best speaker ever. nt babylonsister Monday #8
They are big boys and girls, but our dumbass electorate is not. W_HAMILTON Monday #9
I don't think you understand modern electoral politics Happy Hoosier Monday #44
I don't think the voters understand the ballot box. W_HAMILTON Tuesday #52
Thank you, well said, and I agree with every word. Walleye Monday #7
You're right. And there's a reason why Republicans and Russians put so much effort into dividing the left. W_HAMILTON Monday #10
Because they know an easy win? quakerboy Monday #18
Yeah, no. It's a lot easier to divide Democrats when the person dividing is only a Democrat when it benefits them. W_HAMILTON Monday #50
Whom do you mean? Could it be Tim Kaine (Hillary's running mate), who Jack Valentino Tuesday #51
And if we had voted for Hillary and him, there would be no Trump. W_HAMILTON Tuesday #53
I DID VOTE for Hillary and him---!!!! Jack Valentino Tuesday #55
So you want to blame about a third of the party. quakerboy Tuesday #56
I agree except that I am thinking the cavers represent a lot less than a third of the party. Scrivener7 Tuesday #61
I blame those not voting for Democrats. W_HAMILTON Tuesday #66
so if I look through your post history quakerboy Tuesday #74
You will find me mostly criticizing those that contribute to the in-fighting. W_HAMILTON Tuesday #79
And who do you suppose that was? quakerboy Tuesday #80
You again. Hassin Bin Sober Monday #11
Good lawd 😴 demmiblue Monday #12
Post removed Post removed Monday #13
I heard Carville brow beating Democrats who are upset about this while listening to MSNBC on a walk this afternoon. CentralMass Monday #14
I see eight wedges responsible for the current discord in the party Sympthsical Monday #15
Who knows these days quakerboy Monday #19
Gov Newsom edhopper Monday #16
I dont go down without a fight quakerboy Monday #17
Only 8 of them. creeksneakers2 Monday #25
That's the 8 that were chosen because they aren't running in 2026 Bluetus Monday #27
No proof of that. creeksneakers2 Monday #28
Either it was orchestrated or they went rogue. Cuthbert Allgood Tuesday #85
Probably ended up that way creeksneakers2 Tuesday #93
Don't kid yourself. kacekwl Monday #29
I don't kid myself creeksneakers2 Monday #31
All of them quakerboy Monday #38
That kind of thinking helps Trump. creeksneakers2 Wednesday #94
Voting for trump helps trump quakerboy Yesterday #95
Turning against Democrats helps him too. creeksneakers2 Yesterday #96
*democrats quakerboy Yesterday #97
Most of them didn't. Those who did didn't most of the time. creeksneakers2 Yesterday #98
They did when it matters and the rest are doing nothing about it. quakerboy Yesterday #99
Thank you bigtree. Good post. c-rational Monday #20
Democratic Senators angrychair Monday #21
correct Skittles Monday #23
I also think the timing of it is what hits so hard.... OneGrassRoot Tuesday #59
See it's not that angrychair Tuesday #65
Oh, I DEFINITELY hear you.... OneGrassRoot Tuesday #67
Making it all about how devastating losing ACA- subsidies would be-only to cave--was very poor messaging crimycarny Tuesday #78
I am so sorry, popsdenver Monday #22
We've got midterms to win mcar Monday #24
What we say on this site hurts no one iemanja Monday #41
On this site? Have you looked at social media and MSM? mcar Tuesday #64
It isn't a "narrative" Queso Delicioso Tuesday #82
7 elected Democrats voted to end the shutdown mcar Tuesday #84
This is going to hurt the midterms Cuthbert Allgood Tuesday #87
I can make the case gab13by13 Monday #26
Well, as long as the party makes stupid ass choices that make zero sense you better get used to it. nt yaesu Monday #30
Agree and to add FHRRK Monday #32
Well played. MarineCombatEngineer Monday #34
How is your head? FHRRK Monday #35
Massive hangover this morning, ok now. MarineCombatEngineer Monday #36
I got up once to get a beer FHRRK Monday #46
Lawrence just discussed problems for LEADERSHIP of Dem party, and we all should read/ elleng Monday #33
I think you and I are the only two DU'ers watching Ninga Monday #37
UTTERLY credible. elleng Monday #42
Well. Our priority right now must be to make sure you're not shaken. Scrivener7 Monday #39
You have a soft spot for the most ineffective Democrats iemanja Monday #40
Lawrence O'Donnell has proven you right tonight, and all the anti-Schumers wrong. ancianita Monday #43
Here's the link to Rhiannon12866's OP with video... PunkinPi Tuesday #57
Yes, I saw it, thanks. ancianita Tuesday #69
Sure, you're welcome. PunkinPi Tuesday #86
Yep, it happens when folks upload a full hour. But it's worth the info for the 12 hrs that 177 people got to view it. ancianita Tuesday #88
Senator Chris Murphy and 36 other Democratic Senators disagree. And they're in a better position to know. Scrivener7 Tuesday #63
They don't wanna get dragged? Happy Hoosier Monday #45
Even worse FHRRK Monday #47
I agree, Bigtree. summer_in_TX Monday #48
Ask yourself this Metaphorical Monday #49
Hilarious awesomerwb1 Tuesday #54
K&R betsuni Tuesday #58
You Lost Me At "I Get It, Probably More Than...." How's That... ColoringFool Tuesday #60
So we should sit back while they sell us out over and over again Thrill Tuesday #62
Strategic voting to get a 271 vote count from Republicans is not selling out. ancianita Tuesday #70
Disagree, we're not dragging dem leadership enough on communication uponit7771 Tuesday #68
So, are we supposed to pretend that Bettie Tuesday #71
" Republicans and their bull don't shake me as much as the dragging of our party and leaders in Dem forums" BannonsLiver Tuesday #72
Indeed. Never saying a negative word about ineffectual, self-inflicted losses... LR3 Tuesday #75
Agree MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #73
Moronic things like "don't listen to Lawrence O'Donnell, he's rich"; Tim Kaine's a "corporate shill," don't listen. betsuni Tuesday #92
Yes, and some rando on Tik Tok MorbidButterflyTat 18 hrs ago #100
Yes, yes John Coktosten Tuesday #76
When they fuck up, intentionally or not, they *absolutely* deserve to get dragged Rob H. Tuesday #81
Well you sure joined the wrong party...that's what Dems do. pecosbob Tuesday #83
We'll either cool off or pay at the polls next year gulliver Tuesday #89
March in lockstep is a REPUBLICAN TRAIT! Emile Tuesday #90
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