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Cirsium

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164. Yes

Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:58 PM

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Absolutely. Narrowing it to asking if "prolonging the shutdown would have resulted in Republicans passing legislation" is deceptive. I don't think Republicans will ever pass legislation we support, so that is not really what this is about. You frame the question in such a way that there is no answer.

But, yes. I do think that think prolonging the shutdown would have resulted in Republicans losing. No question. Exactly where, when, and how, no one can now. The only way to stop bullies is to stand up to them, always and everywhere. Kicking the can down the road, which is what happened, merely prolongs the agony and delays the inevitable showdown.

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