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55. Current Affairs Magazine had a piece on Christianity recently
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:10 PM
Tuesday

It answers your questions.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/john-fugelsang

Two generations of Christians have been raised to prioritize something Jesus never talked about over everything Jesus ever did talk about. Most conservative Christians probably don’t know that the Bible never condemns abortion. There are no penalties for abortion. None of the prophets ever mention abortion, but Jesus is hardcore against the death penalty. I’m just tired of seeing my parents’ religion used as cover for meanness and hypocrisy. I’m not saying the Bible is pro-abortion, but it certainly isn’t against it. Abortions are legal and free in Israel right now because Jesus’s religion—that religion is the star of the book—never banned abortions, and most Americans don’t even know this. Their emotions have been manipulated for 45 years to go for “protecting the unborn,” and then they wind up voting against all the direct commandments of Jesus in favor of guys like Donald Trump.

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There’s so much evidence in the Bible that Jesus is not anti-gay, namely the Sermon on the Mount. You can’t talk this bullshit that Allie pushes and claim to follow this guy. Toxic empathy—turn away more refugees. Turn away more refugees while boasting of your piety.

ROBINSON: Turning to the abortion chapter of the book, I was interested in finding out how she uses the text of the Bible to justify opposition to abortion. And it’s quite thin, this part. I mean, basically she says that God expresses deep detestation for the unjust killing of people; the prohibition of murder is the fifth of the 10 Commandments.

FUGELSANG: Yes, strong argument.

ROBINSON: The Lord hates hands that shed innocent blood. And that’s about it.

FUGELSANG: So again, I’m not saying the Bible’s pro-abortion or that Jesus would work as a clinic escort on the weekends, but abortions are legal and free in Israel right now. You wouldn’t know this if you watch Fox News, but do you know why abortions are legal and free in Israel right now? Because the one religion that’s in the Bible, that would be Judaism, the religion of Moses—Jesus died being a Jew—never bans abortion. Judaism believes that life begins with the first breath. That’s repeated throughout the Gospels. Now I’m not going to say that it’s pro-abortion, but abortions are legal and free in Israel right now.
They want to believe in a Christianity where God really wants men to force people to be pregnant against their will—where men force rape victims to be pregnant by their attacker against their will—and none of this appears in the Bible. At no point do they say you’ve got to force poor women to have greater poverty. My Christian take is, considering that abortion is less dangerous than pregnancy or childbirth, I don’t have any goddamn right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body. I’m on the side of men not telling women what to do with their bodies. That’s the world Jesus grew up in. God, in Exodus 21, asserts that a fetus is property and that a woman’s life has more value in his eyes. In Numbers 5, God gives rather gruesome, detailed abortion tips for pregnant, unfaithful wives. Let’s talk about killing innocents because, oh, you Gentiles heard about Passover? God killed the firstborn of all the Egyptian sons. God kills tons of kids and fetuses in this book; one time, God drowned every pregnant woman and fetus on Earth with a flood because he was in a mood. Jesus never comes out against abortion. God never mentions it. God never has any characters of the Bible say anything against abortion. Jesus is vigorously against the death penalty, but Allie Beth Stuckey thinks that Jesus is wrong on that, and Donald Trump is right. So again, man, you want to go ahead and fight for criminalizing abortion? Go ahead. But don’t tell me you’re doing it because of Jesus.


Fugelsang is cool..

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LOL malaise Monday #20
So presumably they are all utterly opposed PoindexterOglethorpe Monday #26
No. That's considered a righteous killing, not murder (which is an unrighteous killing). WhiskeyGrinder Monday #30
Righteous, not righteous, it's still murder. PoindexterOglethorpe Tuesday #47
Their answer would be that that is your standard, not God's. WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #48
Clearly, then, God is a hypocrite. PoindexterOglethorpe Tuesday #49
Again, by your standard. WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #50
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Jesus never mentioned abortion. n/t Coventina Monday #2
Nothing tintinvotes Monday #3
Jeremiah 1:5 dsc Monday #4
Not a ringing condemnation but if that's all they got.... CTyankee Monday #5
That was referring to a claim to being one of the Top Prophets and leader, from what I understand. haele Monday #22
Nothing. And they base their positions on their own opinions/desires, and then RockRaven Monday #6
The Bible never mentions conception as the beginning of life. multigraincracker Monday #7
Yes and that's the Jewish perspective... milestogo Monday #9
Nothing. milestogo Monday #8
Numbers 5 - 11 thru 31 Midnight Writer Monday #15
The trial by "bitter waters" is the only reference I can find to abortion in the bible. TomSlick Monday #38
Murder Prohibition Covers It OC375 Monday #10
Now it does. But it's all about definitions. haele Monday #23
As a Lutheran, and from the bible: the same thing he said about drag queens - not a darn thing. marble falls Monday #12
The only Lutheran I know is staunchly against abortion. He's active in his church and that's why I asked... CTyankee Monday #14
Missouri Synod? We're the Shia of the Lutheran World. I'm progressive Missouri Synod, I have a sense of humor. ... marble falls Monday #16
WELS is the Shia of the Lutheran world! Krazy_Kat Monday #18
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I grew up in an MSL church. Happy Hoosier Tuesday #43
The schools broke me. We began memorizing the entire Luther's Small Catechism in fourth grade. ... marble falls Tuesday #44
Wow. Happy Hoosier Tuesday #45
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From the Southern Baptist Convention in 1971: Girard442 Monday #17
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He didn't say anything MurrayDelph Monday #25
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Nothing. Nothing about homosexuality either. nt mcar Monday #28
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Nada... Wounded Bear Monday #31
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John Fugelsang has this covered in his new book, GoCubsGo Monday #34
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Life in the womb is the potential for human life. OAITW r.2.0 Monday #36
Jesus was a Jew. Chemical Bill Monday #37
The same as what he said about slavery Kaleva Monday #39
As someone who had read the Bible extensively, Dead Sea Scrolls, Pseudepigrapha, etc. Xolodno Monday #40
Jesus himself never KentuckyWoman Monday #41
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Nothing. Jesus Said Nothing about That. MineralMan Tuesday #46
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There are a lot of ways... Mike Nelson Tuesday #54
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Not one single word. 11 Bravo Tuesday #57
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