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In reply to the discussion: I need help from folks here who know the Bible: what did Jesus say about abortion? [View all]jfz9580m
(16,116 posts)55. Current Affairs Magazine had a piece on Christianity recently
It answers your questions.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/john-fugelsang
Two generations of Christians have been raised to prioritize something Jesus never talked about over everything Jesus ever did talk about. Most conservative Christians probably dont know that the Bible never condemns abortion. There are no penalties for abortion. None of the prophets ever mention abortion, but Jesus is hardcore against the death penalty. Im just tired of seeing my parents religion used as cover for meanness and hypocrisy. Im not saying the Bible is pro-abortion, but it certainly isnt against it. Abortions are legal and free in Israel right now because Jesuss religionthat religion is the star of the booknever banned abortions, and most Americans dont even know this. Their emotions have been manipulated for 45 years to go for protecting the unborn, and then they wind up voting against all the direct commandments of Jesus in favor of guys like Donald Trump.
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Theres so much evidence in the Bible that Jesus is not anti-gay, namely the Sermon on the Mount. You cant talk this bullshit that Allie pushes and claim to follow this guy. Toxic empathyturn away more refugees. Turn away more refugees while boasting of your piety.
ROBINSON: Turning to the abortion chapter of the book, I was interested in finding out how she uses the text of the Bible to justify opposition to abortion. And its quite thin, this part. I mean, basically she says that God expresses deep detestation for the unjust killing of people; the prohibition of murder is the fifth of the 10 Commandments.
FUGELSANG: Yes, strong argument.
ROBINSON: The Lord hates hands that shed innocent blood. And thats about it.
FUGELSANG: So again, Im not saying the Bibles pro-abortion or that Jesus would work as a clinic escort on the weekends, but abortions are legal and free in Israel right now. You wouldnt know this if you watch Fox News, but do you know why abortions are legal and free in Israel right now? Because the one religion thats in the Bible, that would be Judaism, the religion of MosesJesus died being a Jewnever bans abortion. Judaism believes that life begins with the first breath. Thats repeated throughout the Gospels. Now Im not going to say that its pro-abortion, but abortions are legal and free in Israel right now.
They want to believe in a Christianity where God really wants men to force people to be pregnant against their willwhere men force rape victims to be pregnant by their attacker against their willand none of this appears in the Bible. At no point do they say youve got to force poor women to have greater poverty. My Christian take is, considering that abortion is less dangerous than pregnancy or childbirth, I dont have any goddamn right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body. Im on the side of men not telling women what to do with their bodies. Thats the world Jesus grew up in. God, in Exodus 21, asserts that a fetus is property and that a womans life has more value in his eyes. In Numbers 5, God gives rather gruesome, detailed abortion tips for pregnant, unfaithful wives. Lets talk about killing innocents because, oh, you Gentiles heard about Passover? God killed the firstborn of all the Egyptian sons. God kills tons of kids and fetuses in this book; one time, God drowned every pregnant woman and fetus on Earth with a flood because he was in a mood. Jesus never comes out against abortion. God never mentions it. God never has any characters of the Bible say anything against abortion. Jesus is vigorously against the death penalty, but Allie Beth Stuckey thinks that Jesus is wrong on that, and Donald Trump is right. So again, man, you want to go ahead and fight for criminalizing abortion? Go ahead. But dont tell me youre doing it because of Jesus.
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Theres so much evidence in the Bible that Jesus is not anti-gay, namely the Sermon on the Mount. You cant talk this bullshit that Allie pushes and claim to follow this guy. Toxic empathyturn away more refugees. Turn away more refugees while boasting of your piety.
ROBINSON: Turning to the abortion chapter of the book, I was interested in finding out how she uses the text of the Bible to justify opposition to abortion. And its quite thin, this part. I mean, basically she says that God expresses deep detestation for the unjust killing of people; the prohibition of murder is the fifth of the 10 Commandments.
FUGELSANG: Yes, strong argument.
ROBINSON: The Lord hates hands that shed innocent blood. And thats about it.
FUGELSANG: So again, Im not saying the Bibles pro-abortion or that Jesus would work as a clinic escort on the weekends, but abortions are legal and free in Israel right now. You wouldnt know this if you watch Fox News, but do you know why abortions are legal and free in Israel right now? Because the one religion thats in the Bible, that would be Judaism, the religion of MosesJesus died being a Jewnever bans abortion. Judaism believes that life begins with the first breath. Thats repeated throughout the Gospels. Now Im not going to say that its pro-abortion, but abortions are legal and free in Israel right now.
They want to believe in a Christianity where God really wants men to force people to be pregnant against their willwhere men force rape victims to be pregnant by their attacker against their willand none of this appears in the Bible. At no point do they say youve got to force poor women to have greater poverty. My Christian take is, considering that abortion is less dangerous than pregnancy or childbirth, I dont have any goddamn right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body. Im on the side of men not telling women what to do with their bodies. Thats the world Jesus grew up in. God, in Exodus 21, asserts that a fetus is property and that a womans life has more value in his eyes. In Numbers 5, God gives rather gruesome, detailed abortion tips for pregnant, unfaithful wives. Lets talk about killing innocents because, oh, you Gentiles heard about Passover? God killed the firstborn of all the Egyptian sons. God kills tons of kids and fetuses in this book; one time, God drowned every pregnant woman and fetus on Earth with a flood because he was in a mood. Jesus never comes out against abortion. God never mentions it. God never has any characters of the Bible say anything against abortion. Jesus is vigorously against the death penalty, but Allie Beth Stuckey thinks that Jesus is wrong on that, and Donald Trump is right. So again, man, you want to go ahead and fight for criminalizing abortion? Go ahead. But dont tell me youre doing it because of Jesus.
Fugelsang is cool..
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I need help from folks here who know the Bible: what did Jesus say about abortion? [View all]
CTyankee
Monday
OP
They base their objection on the "you shall not murder" commandment. While the 10 Commandments are from the
WhiskeyGrinder
Monday
#1
Sure, I'm not saying they're consistent or correct. "Righteous" killings are somehow different. But if you ask the
WhiskeyGrinder
Monday
#13
No. That's considered a righteous killing, not murder (which is an unrighteous killing).
WhiskeyGrinder
Monday
#30
That was referring to a claim to being one of the Top Prophets and leader, from what I understand.
haele
Monday
#22
The trial by "bitter waters" is the only reference I can find to abortion in the bible.
TomSlick
Monday
#38
As a Lutheran, and from the bible: the same thing he said about drag queens - not a darn thing.
marble falls
Monday
#12
The only Lutheran I know is staunchly against abortion. He's active in his church and that's why I asked...
CTyankee
Monday
#14
Missouri Synod? We're the Shia of the Lutheran World. I'm progressive Missouri Synod, I have a sense of humor. ...
marble falls
Monday
#16
You Evangelicans can play cards, dance, drink wine and beer in the basement. Not we MSLs. I've gone to ...
marble falls
Monday
#21
The schools broke me. We began memorizing the entire Luther's Small Catechism in fourth grade. ...
marble falls
Tuesday
#44
It got better, I moved to Akron and joined an Evangelical congregation. But I still feel myself MSL, and an Ohioan ...
marble falls
Tuesday
#59
Jesus never said a single word about abortion, nor did he say a single word about homosexuality
Wiz Imp
Monday
#29
If he expanded the Temple, then your answer might be found in the works of King Herod the Great.
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
Monday
#35
As someone who had read the Bible extensively, Dead Sea Scrolls, Pseudepigrapha, etc.
Xolodno
Monday
#40
In colonial America (which was most definitely Christian), I believe abortion was considered OK up until the quickening
Midwestern Democrat
Monday
#42