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In reply to the discussion: Boebert and Mace claim that they will not be removing their names from the discharge petition. [View all]Wiz Imp
(8,081 posts)39. You're wrong. I don't know why you insist on arguing this.
The resolution (H. Res. 581) is strictly a procedural mechanism to amend and force the vote on HR 185 which will carry the requirements for the files to be released.
The discharge petition is for H.Res. 581 because it is the resolution that provides the procedural mechanism to bring a bill (H.R. 185) to the House floor for a vote, not the bill itself. A discharge petition is used to force a bill from committee to the full House for consideration. In this case, H.R. 185 is the bill being discharged, but H.Res. 581 is the resolution that will be discharged by the petition. HR 185 will be amended by H Res 581
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/581
This resolution provides a special rule for consideration of H.R. 185 and amends that bill to direct the Department of Justice (DOJ) to make publicly available certain records related to Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell.
Under H.R. 185, as amended by the resolution, DOJ must publicly disclose all unclassified records, documents, communications, and investigative materials in its possession that relate to Epstein or Maxwell. The records include unclassified records referring or relating to Epstein's detention and death; flight logs of aircraft owned or used by Epstein; individuals named in connection with Epsteins criminal activities, civil settlements, or immunity or plea agreements; immunity deals, sealed settlements, or plea bargains of Epstein or his associates; entities with ties to Epsteins trafficking or financial networks; and internal Department of Justice communications concerning decisions to investigate or charge Epstein or his associates.
However, under the amended bill, DOJ may withhold or redact portions of records with written justification that such portions contain (1) victims' personally identifiable information; (2) child sexual abuse materials; (3) images of death, physical abuse, or injury; (4) information which would jeopardize an active federal investigation or prosecution; or (5) classified information. DOJ may not withhold or redact records on the basis of embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity.
Further, within 15 days of completing the required disclosures, DOJ must provide Congress with a report listing all categories of records released and withheld, all redactions made and their legal basis, and all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials.
Under H.R. 185, as amended by the resolution, DOJ must publicly disclose all unclassified records, documents, communications, and investigative materials in its possession that relate to Epstein or Maxwell. The records include unclassified records referring or relating to Epstein's detention and death; flight logs of aircraft owned or used by Epstein; individuals named in connection with Epsteins criminal activities, civil settlements, or immunity or plea agreements; immunity deals, sealed settlements, or plea bargains of Epstein or his associates; entities with ties to Epsteins trafficking or financial networks; and internal Department of Justice communications concerning decisions to investigate or charge Epstein or his associates.
However, under the amended bill, DOJ may withhold or redact portions of records with written justification that such portions contain (1) victims' personally identifiable information; (2) child sexual abuse materials; (3) images of death, physical abuse, or injury; (4) information which would jeopardize an active federal investigation or prosecution; or (5) classified information. DOJ may not withhold or redact records on the basis of embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity.
Further, within 15 days of completing the required disclosures, DOJ must provide Congress with a report listing all categories of records released and withheld, all redactions made and their legal basis, and all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials.
H.R. 185, titled the "Responsible Legislating Act," was amended by the language of the separate "Epstein Files Transparency Act" via a procedural resolution (H. Res. 581) to force a vote in the House.
This "Epstein Files Transparency Act" , originally introduced as H.R. 4405, mandates that the Department of Justice (DOJ) publicly release all unclassified records, documents, communications, and investigative materials related to the investigation and prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
Ultimately the Discharge petition is forcing a vote on HR 185 which will include the language from HR 4405 (the Epstein Transparency Act). Passage simply moves the bill onto the Senate for consideration. It does not force any action. A resolution can't be used to force action by the DOJ - that can only be done by a bill. In this case HR 185, but it needs passed by both the House and Senate to become law. Passing the House by itself forces the DOJ to do absolutely nothing.
If you read the Politico article I linked to you would know that and you would quit trying to argue otherwise. Wherever you got your impression of how all of this will work is 100% wrong. I've laid it out for you 3 times now. Please don't try to argue it again.
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Boebert and Mace claim that they will not be removing their names from the discharge petition. [View all]
demmiblue
13 hrs ago
OP
Its probably because they realize that there is likely no way the files will be released anyway. n/t
demmiblue
13 hrs ago
#6
Or the files have all been re-written to make Trump look like Mother Theresa.
Irish_Dem
13 hrs ago
#8
OK. This explains why those files got released today. They came from the Epstein estate, NOT the DOJ
Wiz Imp
8 hrs ago
#42
West Wing ketchup bottles are considering throwing themselves against a wall to beat the rush.
11 Bravo
13 hrs ago
#10
They know that the orange turd is becoming weaker and is losing support among magaloons also
kimbutgar
13 hrs ago
#13
Trump tells Mikey to expel Mace, MTG or Boebert for mental instability and moral turpitude.
Marcuse
12 hrs ago
#19
They can't after it reaches 218 votes, which it just did, according to MeidasTouch.
highplainsdem
12 hrs ago
#24
I predict Mikey will announce the vote for the 2nd Tues. of the 13th month. nt
MarineCombatEngineer
11 hrs ago
#27
It could also be that they are a whole lot younger than the orange turdblossom...
llmart
11 hrs ago
#29
As noted, once 218 signatures are achieved, the list is "frozen." But the vote isn't immediate. Here the process:
onenote
11 hrs ago
#35
According to Politico, the vote is expected to take pllace the first week of December
Wiz Imp
7 hrs ago
#43
Sounds right, but now its being reported that Johnson wants to accelerate the process.
onenote
7 hrs ago
#44