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choie

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22. WHY the HELL did the shutdown occur?

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:03 PM

16 hrs ago

The Dems should have said "fuck all" to the ACA subsidies because they knew very well that the repugs would never budge. So what was the point in them letting the shutdown move forward? The Democrats aren't naive and they aren't victims in this charade either. They played their cards and lost. Pure and simple. We gained nothing.

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People wanting the shutdown to continue into the holidays - who has 40 plus days of funding in reserve to survive on? [View all] bigtree 17 hrs ago OP

Thune would have jettisoned the filibuster. pat_k 17 hrs ago #1

40 damn days bigtree 17 hrs ago #3

I stand by my analysis. pat_k 17 hrs ago #6

capitulation was just around the corner? bigtree 17 hrs ago #11

People already ARE at the mercy of the Felon. pat_k 17 hrs ago #12

the federal workers bigtree 16 hrs ago #13

You think this is some sort of "politics as usual"? pat_k 16 hrs ago #16

did you ask those families to sacrifice their livelihoods for your politics? bigtree 16 hrs ago #19

The Senate Democrats took the ONLY shot they had at preventing the deaths of tens of thousands. pat_k 16 hrs ago #30

they needed to end their politics over the holidays bigtree 15 hrs ago #54

repukes need to end their cruelty, PERIOD Skittles 14 hrs ago #67

You see it as politics. To me, it was a moral imperative. pat_k 8 hrs ago #73

Absolutely excellent BeerBarrelPolka 8 hrs ago #75

Are you willing Mossfern 6 hrs ago #81

Post 73 pat_k 5 hrs ago #85

That doesn't answer my quesiton to you Mossfern 4 hrs ago #96

The answer is that moral failure has worse consequences. pat_k 4 hrs ago #98

Get off the damn high horse FHRRK 15 hrs ago #51

high horse bigtree 15 hrs ago #56

You know why you stand by your analysis? FHRRK 15 hrs ago #45

Great post. Scrivener7 8 hrs ago #71

Yep and we're going to do this again in 3 months !!! uponit7771 4 hrs ago #91

BUT in 3 months mr715 1 hr ago #104

Agree 100% mr715 1 hr ago #103

Spot on! (with one quibble) pat_k 46 min ago #110

Its kicking the can down the road in the wrong direction. CentralMass 17 hrs ago #2

THE HUMANS IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE bigtree 17 hrs ago #5

The worst is yet to come. The GOP will give up nothing. CentralMass 17 hrs ago #8

RIGHT!!! No bully says I'll be nicer next time if you give up now uponit7771 4 hrs ago #94

With preparation more than 3 months but that didn't happen, Dem leadership did no prep work for uponit7771 4 hrs ago #93

What they did mr715 47 min ago #109

And it'll be worse next time. They'll take away more. Scrivener7 8 hrs ago #72

No one here wanted people to suffer! leftstreet 17 hrs ago #4

so helpless to do a thing for them bigtree 17 hrs ago #7

WHY the HELL did the shutdown occur? choie 16 hrs ago #22

We gained over a month of making the public aware that the repubs supported ending the subsidies onenote 15 hrs ago #57

the fault lies with REPUBLICANS Skittles 16 hrs ago #24

well they weren't Skittles 17 hrs ago #9

You're not wrong there n/t leftstreet 17 hrs ago #10

But they weren't about to cave. Mossfern 25 min ago #115

We'll never know n/t leftstreet 24 min ago #116

HOW did "SNAP beneficiaries got a raise" ??? Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #14

the benefit amount was increased in the agreement bigtree 16 hrs ago #15

YOU need to 'keep up', my friend--- Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #18

you're right, it's an increase in the contingency payment bigtree 16 hrs ago #20

I agree with much of what you said, people can't live without a paycheck forever... Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #25

it was cheeky bigtree 15 hrs ago #39

It's all good.... I'm usually worse myself, but I like you :) Jack Valentino 15 hrs ago #44

thank you Skittles 16 hrs ago #26

I do think the state of Michigan under Whitmer acted much more quickly, Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #31

oh absolutely Skittles 15 hrs ago #34

AND utilizes the 'Trump Justice' department to fight against court orders Jack Valentino 15 hrs ago #36

It didn't increase the funding for SNAP, but it guaranteed it through September 2026 onenote 15 hrs ago #58

That SNAP benefits will be funded through 9-26 is very good--- Jack Valentino 14 hrs ago #61

We also have the opportunity to raise the issue before people lose their insurance. onenote 14 hrs ago #63

Thank you. This is pure propaganda to make us feel like we won something. choie 16 hrs ago #23

They 'got a raise' back to the normal amount, Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #29

when I dove into it I got the actual farce bigtree 15 hrs ago #41

People who are bellyaching about Democrats "caving" have tunnel vision valleyrogue 16 hrs ago #17

Then provide one reason why the Democrats pushed for the ACA subsidies when choie 16 hrs ago #27

It was NOT that 'obvious'---- there are quite a few swing state and swing district Republicans Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #33

To a certain extent it was political theater. Or more aptly, political education onenote 14 hrs ago #60

I think it did a good job showing which party cares about people who need assistance Skittles 14 hrs ago #64

I've experienced true destitution Samael13 6 hrs ago #78

Furthermore it also accomplishes something the republicans cant on their own Samael13 6 hrs ago #82

By your logic, there should have been no shutdown at all Sympthsical 16 hrs ago #21

thank you Skittles 16 hrs ago #28

ABSOLUTELY. Jack Valentino 15 hrs ago #38

Thank you. Joinfortmill 16 hrs ago #32

The historical record is,quite clear.... reACTIONary 15 hrs ago #35

So do you think we shouldn't have tried? Jack Valentino 15 hrs ago #42

Whether it was worth it or not... reACTIONary 5 hrs ago #88

Nancy Pelosi got concessions from Trump iemanja 15 hrs ago #55

As you note, none of the concessions... reACTIONary 4 hrs ago #89

Speaker Pelosi would disagree with this assessment nt mr715 37 min ago #113

We don't have to govern. mr715 15 hrs ago #37

bumper sticker? bigtree 15 hrs ago #43

I give no approval to the funding of what Trump is doing. mr715 15 hrs ago #50

"What kind of party allows that to go into Thanksgiving and the rest, leaving them under the knife of the republicans" Takket 15 hrs ago #40

we had the power to remove those workers and their families out of the way of our politics bigtree 15 hrs ago #47

Ah yes, because we were the ones doing this. mr715 15 hrs ago #52

that's specious bigtree 15 hrs ago #59

Political Crutches mr715 1 hr ago #107

You can't settle the trolley car problem this way. . . Stargleamer 1 hr ago #102

And what about the 42 million folks not getting SNAP payments? onenote 14 hrs ago #62

Don't forget to add in the tens of millions of people on SNAP benefits. W_HAMILTON 14 hrs ago #66

This needs to be its own OP mcar 6 hrs ago #80

Thank you for posting this. Phoenix61 15 hrs ago #46

+1 Agreed. onenote 15 hrs ago #48

Give it up. You got your way. iemanja 15 hrs ago #49

Great post! hamsterjill 5 hrs ago #83

Thank you. iemanja 5 hrs ago #87

Yep seems fair angrychair 15 hrs ago #53

Well... those people were going to get their snap benefits anyway. Scrivener7 8 hrs ago #76

Right on. nt mr715 34 min ago #114

I Believe The Counter-Argument Would Be: Then Why Start?.... ColoringFool 14 hrs ago #65

did you actually read the message Skittles 11 hrs ago #70

Thank you, bigtree. summer_in_TX 13 hrs ago #68

The problem is that the Dem senators did not excerise unity. Intractable 12 hrs ago #69

Calculating who and when and where. mr715 1 hr ago #105

It wasn't the democrats who shutdown the government. Emile 8 hrs ago #74

But we're "cruel" nt mr715 48 min ago #108

Amazing, it's all our fault now. Emile 44 min ago #111

"Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!" nt mr715 37 min ago #112

I'm dubious that any of that will happen Samael13 8 hrs ago #77

There will be MORE PAIN from lack of healthcare.... BUT..... Martin Eden 6 hrs ago #79

I agree with your analysis, but I wonder why.... reACTIONary 4 hrs ago #92

You are correct. Ending the premium tax credits won't end the ACA Martin Eden 4 hrs ago #99

That is true, it is one step.... reACTIONary 2 hrs ago #100

So just give them what they want all the time then. BlueTsunami2018 5 hrs ago #84

MAGA voters have not felt enough pain yet. nt Hotler 5 hrs ago #86

I blame this solely on the GOP Torchlight 4 hrs ago #90

Join the Mass Blackout! BlueWavePsych 4 hrs ago #95

No one wanted the shutdown to continue into the holidays. Ms. Toad 4 hrs ago #97

Thank you. MorbidButterflyTat 2 hrs ago #101

Thank you. I believe that the point was made, and there was no point to additional suffereing. NNadir 1 hr ago #106