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choie

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27. Then provide one reason why the Democrats pushed for the ACA subsidies when

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:09 PM

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this was the obvious outcome. It didn't take a genius to know that the republicans were never ever going to surrender. OR was it just political theater so people would come out to vote on November 4th? I'm sure it was just a coincidence that the Dems surrendered right after the election.

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People wanting the shutdown to continue into the holidays - who has 40 plus days of funding in reserve to survive on? [View all] bigtree 21 hrs ago OP

Thune would have jettisoned the filibuster. pat_k 21 hrs ago #1

40 damn days bigtree 21 hrs ago #3

I stand by my analysis. pat_k 20 hrs ago #6

capitulation was just around the corner? bigtree 20 hrs ago #11

People already ARE at the mercy of the Felon. pat_k 20 hrs ago #12

the federal workers bigtree 20 hrs ago #13

You think this is some sort of "politics as usual"? pat_k 20 hrs ago #16

did you ask those families to sacrifice their livelihoods for your politics? bigtree 20 hrs ago #19

The Senate Democrats took the ONLY shot they had at preventing the deaths of tens of thousands. pat_k 19 hrs ago #30

they needed to end their politics over the holidays bigtree 18 hrs ago #54

repukes need to end their cruelty, PERIOD Skittles 18 hrs ago #67

You see it as politics. To me, it was a moral imperative. pat_k 11 hrs ago #73

Absolutely excellent BeerBarrelPolka 11 hrs ago #75

Are you willing Mossfern 9 hrs ago #81

Post 73 pat_k 9 hrs ago #85

That doesn't answer my quesiton to you Mossfern 8 hrs ago #96

The answer is that moral failure has worse consequences. pat_k 7 hrs ago #98

Get off the damn high horse FHRRK 18 hrs ago #51

high horse bigtree 18 hrs ago #56

You know why you stand by your analysis? FHRRK 19 hrs ago #45

Great post. Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #71

Yep and we're going to do this again in 3 months !!! uponit7771 8 hrs ago #91

BUT in 3 months mr715 4 hrs ago #104

Nope. SNAP is now funded until Sept 2026 NickB79 3 hrs ago #119

Agree 100% mr715 4 hrs ago #103

Spot on! (with one quibble) pat_k 4 hrs ago #110

Its kicking the can down the road in the wrong direction. CentralMass 21 hrs ago #2

THE HUMANS IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE bigtree 20 hrs ago #5

The worst is yet to come. The GOP will give up nothing. CentralMass 20 hrs ago #8

RIGHT!!! No bully says I'll be nicer next time if you give up now uponit7771 8 hrs ago #94

With preparation more than 3 months but that didn't happen, Dem leadership did no prep work for uponit7771 8 hrs ago #93

What they did mr715 4 hrs ago #109

Yep, it'll happen again until democrats prepare the pupulace to hold out for a long time uponit7771 1 hr ago #121

And it'll be worse next time. They'll take away more. Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #72

No one here wanted people to suffer! leftstreet 20 hrs ago #4

so helpless to do a thing for them bigtree 20 hrs ago #7

WHY the HELL did the shutdown occur? choie 20 hrs ago #22

We gained over a month of making the public aware that the repubs supported ending the subsidies onenote 18 hrs ago #57

the fault lies with REPUBLICANS Skittles 19 hrs ago #24

well they weren't Skittles 20 hrs ago #9

You're not wrong there n/t leftstreet 20 hrs ago #10

But they weren't about to cave. Mossfern 3 hrs ago #115

We'll never know n/t leftstreet 3 hrs ago #116

What behavior, in consideration Mossfern 3 hrs ago #117

They didn't wanna kill the filibuster leftstreet 3 hrs ago #118

HOW did "SNAP beneficiaries got a raise" ??? Jack Valentino 20 hrs ago #14

the benefit amount was increased in the agreement bigtree 20 hrs ago #15

YOU need to 'keep up', my friend--- Jack Valentino 20 hrs ago #18

you're right, it's an increase in the contingency payment bigtree 20 hrs ago #20

I agree with much of what you said, people can't live without a paycheck forever... Jack Valentino 19 hrs ago #25

it was cheeky bigtree 19 hrs ago #39

It's all good.... I'm usually worse myself, but I like you :) Jack Valentino 19 hrs ago #44

thank you Skittles 19 hrs ago #26

I do think the state of Michigan under Whitmer acted much more quickly, Jack Valentino 19 hrs ago #31

oh absolutely Skittles 19 hrs ago #34

AND utilizes the 'Trump Justice' department to fight against court orders Jack Valentino 19 hrs ago #36

It didn't increase the funding for SNAP, but it guaranteed it through September 2026 onenote 18 hrs ago #58

That SNAP benefits will be funded through 9-26 is very good--- Jack Valentino 18 hrs ago #61

We also have the opportunity to raise the issue before people lose their insurance. onenote 18 hrs ago #63

Thank you. This is pure propaganda to make us feel like we won something. choie 19 hrs ago #23

They 'got a raise' back to the normal amount, Jack Valentino 19 hrs ago #29

when I dove into it I got the actual farce bigtree 19 hrs ago #41

People who are bellyaching about Democrats "caving" have tunnel vision valleyrogue 20 hrs ago #17

Then provide one reason why the Democrats pushed for the ACA subsidies when choie 19 hrs ago #27

It was NOT that 'obvious'---- there are quite a few swing state and swing district Republicans Jack Valentino 19 hrs ago #33

To a certain extent it was political theater. Or more aptly, political education onenote 18 hrs ago #60

I think it did a good job showing which party cares about people who need assistance Skittles 18 hrs ago #64

I've experienced true destitution Samael13 10 hrs ago #78

Furthermore it also accomplishes something the republicans cant on their own Samael13 9 hrs ago #82

By your logic, there should have been no shutdown at all Sympthsical 20 hrs ago #21

thank you Skittles 19 hrs ago #28

ABSOLUTELY. Jack Valentino 19 hrs ago #38

Thank you. Joinfortmill 19 hrs ago #32

The historical record is,quite clear.... reACTIONary 19 hrs ago #35

So do you think we shouldn't have tried? Jack Valentino 19 hrs ago #42

Whether it was worth it or not... reACTIONary 8 hrs ago #88

Nancy Pelosi got concessions from Trump iemanja 18 hrs ago #55

As you note, none of the concessions... reACTIONary 8 hrs ago #89

Speaker Pelosi would disagree with this assessment nt mr715 4 hrs ago #113

We don't have to govern. mr715 19 hrs ago #37

bumper sticker? bigtree 19 hrs ago #43

I give no approval to the funding of what Trump is doing. mr715 18 hrs ago #50

"What kind of party allows that to go into Thanksgiving and the rest, leaving them under the knife of the republicans" Takket 19 hrs ago #40

we had the power to remove those workers and their families out of the way of our politics bigtree 19 hrs ago #47

Ah yes, because we were the ones doing this. mr715 18 hrs ago #52

that's specious bigtree 18 hrs ago #59

Political Crutches mr715 4 hrs ago #107

You can't settle the trolley car problem this way. . . Stargleamer 5 hrs ago #102

And what about the 42 million folks not getting SNAP payments? onenote 18 hrs ago #62

Don't forget to add in the tens of millions of people on SNAP benefits. W_HAMILTON 18 hrs ago #66

This needs to be its own OP mcar 9 hrs ago #80

Thank you for posting this. Phoenix61 19 hrs ago #46

+1 Agreed. onenote 19 hrs ago #48

Give it up. You got your way. iemanja 18 hrs ago #49

Great post! hamsterjill 9 hrs ago #83

Thank you. iemanja 8 hrs ago #87

Yep seems fair angrychair 18 hrs ago #53

Well... those people were going to get their snap benefits anyway. Scrivener7 11 hrs ago #76

Right on. nt mr715 4 hrs ago #114

I Believe The Counter-Argument Would Be: Then Why Start?.... ColoringFool 18 hrs ago #65

did you actually read the message Skittles 15 hrs ago #70

Thank you, bigtree. summer_in_TX 17 hrs ago #68

The problem is that the Dem senators did not excerise unity. Intractable 16 hrs ago #69

Calculating who and when and where. mr715 4 hrs ago #105

It wasn't the democrats who shutdown the government. Emile 11 hrs ago #74

But we're "cruel" nt mr715 4 hrs ago #108

Amazing, it's all our fault now. Emile 4 hrs ago #111

"Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!" nt mr715 4 hrs ago #112

I'm dubious that any of that will happen Samael13 11 hrs ago #77

There will be MORE PAIN from lack of healthcare.... BUT..... Martin Eden 10 hrs ago #79

I agree with your analysis, but I wonder why.... reACTIONary 8 hrs ago #92

You are correct. Ending the premium tax credits won't end the ACA Martin Eden 7 hrs ago #99

That is true, it is one step.... reACTIONary 6 hrs ago #100

So just give them what they want all the time then. BlueTsunami2018 9 hrs ago #84

MAGA voters have not felt enough pain yet. nt Hotler 8 hrs ago #86

I blame this solely on the GOP Torchlight 8 hrs ago #90

Join the Mass Blackout! BlueWavePsych 8 hrs ago #95

No one wanted the shutdown to continue into the holidays. Ms. Toad 8 hrs ago #97

I literally read a poster with 50,000+ posts say it should have gone a YEAR NickB79 3 hrs ago #120

Thank you. MorbidButterflyTat 6 hrs ago #101

Thank you. I believe that the point was made, and there was no point to additional suffereing. NNadir 4 hrs ago #106