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41. when I dove into it I got the actual farce

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:56 PM

15 hrs ago

...but this is beside what I was trying to express.

I'd guess that the SNAP threat for recipients is suspended along with the deal funding government for two more months, fwiw.

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People wanting the shutdown to continue into the holidays - who has 40 plus days of funding in reserve to survive on? [View all] bigtree 17 hrs ago OP

Thune would have jettisoned the filibuster. pat_k 17 hrs ago #1

40 damn days bigtree 17 hrs ago #3

I stand by my analysis. pat_k 17 hrs ago #6

capitulation was just around the corner? bigtree 17 hrs ago #11

People already ARE at the mercy of the Felon. pat_k 17 hrs ago #12

the federal workers bigtree 16 hrs ago #13

You think this is some sort of "politics as usual"? pat_k 16 hrs ago #16

did you ask those families to sacrifice their livelihoods for your politics? bigtree 16 hrs ago #19

The Senate Democrats took the ONLY shot they had at preventing the deaths of tens of thousands. pat_k 16 hrs ago #30

they needed to end their politics over the holidays bigtree 15 hrs ago #54

repukes need to end their cruelty, PERIOD Skittles 14 hrs ago #67

You see it as politics. To me, it was a moral imperative. pat_k 8 hrs ago #73

Absolutely excellent BeerBarrelPolka 8 hrs ago #75

Are you willing Mossfern 6 hrs ago #81

Post 73 pat_k 5 hrs ago #85

That doesn't answer my quesiton to you Mossfern 4 hrs ago #96

The answer is that moral failure has worse consequences. pat_k 4 hrs ago #98

Get off the damn high horse FHRRK 15 hrs ago #51

high horse bigtree 15 hrs ago #56

You know why you stand by your analysis? FHRRK 15 hrs ago #45

Great post. Scrivener7 8 hrs ago #71

Yep and we're going to do this again in 3 months !!! uponit7771 4 hrs ago #91

BUT in 3 months mr715 1 hr ago #104

Agree 100% mr715 1 hr ago #103

Spot on! (with one quibble) pat_k 46 min ago #110

Its kicking the can down the road in the wrong direction. CentralMass 17 hrs ago #2

THE HUMANS IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE bigtree 17 hrs ago #5

The worst is yet to come. The GOP will give up nothing. CentralMass 17 hrs ago #8

RIGHT!!! No bully says I'll be nicer next time if you give up now uponit7771 4 hrs ago #94

With preparation more than 3 months but that didn't happen, Dem leadership did no prep work for uponit7771 4 hrs ago #93

What they did mr715 46 min ago #109

And it'll be worse next time. They'll take away more. Scrivener7 8 hrs ago #72

No one here wanted people to suffer! leftstreet 17 hrs ago #4

so helpless to do a thing for them bigtree 17 hrs ago #7

WHY the HELL did the shutdown occur? choie 16 hrs ago #22

We gained over a month of making the public aware that the repubs supported ending the subsidies onenote 15 hrs ago #57

the fault lies with REPUBLICANS Skittles 16 hrs ago #24

well they weren't Skittles 17 hrs ago #9

You're not wrong there n/t leftstreet 17 hrs ago #10

But they weren't about to cave. Mossfern 25 min ago #115

We'll never know n/t leftstreet 23 min ago #116

HOW did "SNAP beneficiaries got a raise" ??? Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #14

the benefit amount was increased in the agreement bigtree 16 hrs ago #15

YOU need to 'keep up', my friend--- Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #18

you're right, it's an increase in the contingency payment bigtree 16 hrs ago #20

I agree with much of what you said, people can't live without a paycheck forever... Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #25

it was cheeky bigtree 15 hrs ago #39

It's all good.... I'm usually worse myself, but I like you :) Jack Valentino 15 hrs ago #44

thank you Skittles 16 hrs ago #26

I do think the state of Michigan under Whitmer acted much more quickly, Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #31

oh absolutely Skittles 15 hrs ago #34

AND utilizes the 'Trump Justice' department to fight against court orders Jack Valentino 15 hrs ago #36

It didn't increase the funding for SNAP, but it guaranteed it through September 2026 onenote 15 hrs ago #58

That SNAP benefits will be funded through 9-26 is very good--- Jack Valentino 14 hrs ago #61

We also have the opportunity to raise the issue before people lose their insurance. onenote 14 hrs ago #63

Thank you. This is pure propaganda to make us feel like we won something. choie 16 hrs ago #23

They 'got a raise' back to the normal amount, Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #29

when I dove into it I got the actual farce bigtree 15 hrs ago #41

People who are bellyaching about Democrats "caving" have tunnel vision valleyrogue 16 hrs ago #17

Then provide one reason why the Democrats pushed for the ACA subsidies when choie 16 hrs ago #27

It was NOT that 'obvious'---- there are quite a few swing state and swing district Republicans Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #33

To a certain extent it was political theater. Or more aptly, political education onenote 14 hrs ago #60

I think it did a good job showing which party cares about people who need assistance Skittles 14 hrs ago #64

I've experienced true destitution Samael13 6 hrs ago #78

Furthermore it also accomplishes something the republicans cant on their own Samael13 6 hrs ago #82

By your logic, there should have been no shutdown at all Sympthsical 16 hrs ago #21

thank you Skittles 16 hrs ago #28

ABSOLUTELY. Jack Valentino 15 hrs ago #38

Thank you. Joinfortmill 16 hrs ago #32

The historical record is,quite clear.... reACTIONary 15 hrs ago #35

So do you think we shouldn't have tried? Jack Valentino 15 hrs ago #42

Whether it was worth it or not... reACTIONary 5 hrs ago #88

Nancy Pelosi got concessions from Trump iemanja 15 hrs ago #55

As you note, none of the concessions... reACTIONary 4 hrs ago #89

Speaker Pelosi would disagree with this assessment nt mr715 36 min ago #113

We don't have to govern. mr715 15 hrs ago #37

bumper sticker? bigtree 15 hrs ago #43

I give no approval to the funding of what Trump is doing. mr715 15 hrs ago #50

"What kind of party allows that to go into Thanksgiving and the rest, leaving them under the knife of the republicans" Takket 15 hrs ago #40

we had the power to remove those workers and their families out of the way of our politics bigtree 15 hrs ago #47

Ah yes, because we were the ones doing this. mr715 15 hrs ago #52

that's specious bigtree 15 hrs ago #59

Political Crutches mr715 1 hr ago #107

You can't settle the trolley car problem this way. . . Stargleamer 1 hr ago #102

And what about the 42 million folks not getting SNAP payments? onenote 14 hrs ago #62

Don't forget to add in the tens of millions of people on SNAP benefits. W_HAMILTON 14 hrs ago #66

This needs to be its own OP mcar 6 hrs ago #80

Thank you for posting this. Phoenix61 15 hrs ago #46

+1 Agreed. onenote 15 hrs ago #48

Give it up. You got your way. iemanja 15 hrs ago #49

Great post! hamsterjill 5 hrs ago #83

Thank you. iemanja 5 hrs ago #87

Yep seems fair angrychair 15 hrs ago #53

Well... those people were going to get their snap benefits anyway. Scrivener7 8 hrs ago #76

Right on. nt mr715 34 min ago #114

I Believe The Counter-Argument Would Be: Then Why Start?.... ColoringFool 14 hrs ago #65

did you actually read the message Skittles 11 hrs ago #70

Thank you, bigtree. summer_in_TX 13 hrs ago #68

The problem is that the Dem senators did not excerise unity. Intractable 12 hrs ago #69

Calculating who and when and where. mr715 1 hr ago #105

It wasn't the democrats who shutdown the government. Emile 8 hrs ago #74

But we're "cruel" nt mr715 48 min ago #108

Amazing, it's all our fault now. Emile 44 min ago #111

"Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!" nt mr715 37 min ago #112

I'm dubious that any of that will happen Samael13 8 hrs ago #77

There will be MORE PAIN from lack of healthcare.... BUT..... Martin Eden 6 hrs ago #79

I agree with your analysis, but I wonder why.... reACTIONary 4 hrs ago #92

You are correct. Ending the premium tax credits won't end the ACA Martin Eden 4 hrs ago #99

That is true, it is one step.... reACTIONary 2 hrs ago #100

So just give them what they want all the time then. BlueTsunami2018 5 hrs ago #84

MAGA voters have not felt enough pain yet. nt Hotler 5 hrs ago #86

I blame this solely on the GOP Torchlight 4 hrs ago #90

Join the Mass Blackout! BlueWavePsych 4 hrs ago #95

No one wanted the shutdown to continue into the holidays. Ms. Toad 4 hrs ago #97

Thank you. MorbidButterflyTat 2 hrs ago #101

Thank you. I believe that the point was made, and there was no point to additional suffereing. NNadir 1 hr ago #106